2147: Sly Cooper: Thief Of Virtue — Pages 374 Through Epilogues (Yes There Are Multiple Epilogues)

Title: Sly Cooper: Thief Of Virtue
Author:ConnorDavidson
Media: Video Game
Topic: Sly Cooper
Genre: None Given
URL: DeviantArt Gallery Page
Critiqued by: AdmiralSakai

Hello hello all you patrons, and welcome back for the final time to Sly Cooper: Thief of Virtue, which whether it in fact is a porno or is not a porno will still be ending today!

Last time we were treated to a vision (what else!) showing a young Lil Yachty Hookworm and his creepy be-fedora’d nutcase of a dad giving him a medallion with the Magical Mystery Crystals in it as a birthday present and subsequently running afoul of a rather pudgy, ill-defined Clockwerk. Clockwerk wanted to know where Dad Cooper was and Dad Lupus wouldn’t tell him, so Clockwerk killed Dad Lupus in front of his son and then Dad Cooper tried to adopt him but was also killed. Q-Tip Henipavirus then grew up and chased after Clockwerk himself, but discovered the bird was already dead, and in a fit of Edge over having had his kill stolen chucked his medallion into the lava of Clockwerk’s volcano and caused the Magical Mystery Crystals to somehow transmute into their current giant forms. Except he also says he doesn’t care about the whole kill-stealing thing and just wants to take over the world. So there was no point to any of that.

Back in the present Interpol was gearing up for a full-scale assault on Future Oesophagostomum’s castle, using the green Magical Mystery Crystal as bait. Fox Obnoxious, however, showed up and deliberately got himself captured, then used the crystal to mind-control Director Torus into making vague threats and recorded him doing so. Travis Scott Xuan Son Virus then showed up in person to recover the recording (which he believes will somehow cause the entire geopolitical order to collapse if released) and straight-up kill a bunch of Torus’s men. Torus and Ice Ice Baby then gave chase in a helicopter.

Also a character named “Sly Cooper” may occasionally have appeared and taken a peripheral role in observing the above happenings, but he wasn’t particularly important. We left off just as he was preparing for some sort of ‘final showdown’ with iSpy Cysticercosis.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_374_by_connordavidson-da5gwmwAaaaaaand it’s another three-poses-to-a-page Dilated Davidson Action Sequence™. With… kinda dodgy perspective, TBH.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_375_by_connordavidson-da5lx4z1What flashy personality??

I’m not cutting anything out, by the way. The comic literally just goes from a sword-and-cane fight to Tech N9ne Colorado Tick Fever having grabbed Sly by the throat and replying to a taunt that was never said.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_376_by_connordavidson-da5q9ynAnd then he somehow manages to get his sword sord……. embedded in the ground?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_376_by_connordavidson-da5q9yn1.jpgAnd then Sly’s cane…. lightly grazes his cheek! BRUTAL!

Also these castle backgrounds compare unfavorably to Doom 2.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_377_by_connordavidson-da6j82dsly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_378_by_connordavidson-da78vmvHELL YEAH! Come on, Torus, blast ’em to bits!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_379_by_connordavidson-da7e3t2.jpgOr… just send out your Kai Leng knockoff to do it.

I am disappoint.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_379_by_connordavidson-da7e3t21Ah. Torus sent out his Kai Leng knockoff to take on Kendall Morgan Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever so he could continue riffing.

Good on him.

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I love the random invocations of “PUP” in exactly the same font at exactly the same angle. Sort of makes it look like Cher Parvo is having his mental breakdown atop a thick carpet of bubble wrap.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_381_by_connordavidson-da9aa2n.jpgYeah, I’m with Ice Ice Baby here.

Director Torus must be a positive influence on her.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_381_by_connordavidson-da9aa2n1“My RICH, CHUNKY vindication!!!!”

Also thank you, Davidson, for treating us to that wonderful shot of Ice Ice Baby’s crotch.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_382_by_connordavidson-da9djrnOh God, Sly, run while you still can! He’s going to do…. A STRIP NUMBER!!!!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_383_by_connordavidson-da9h3tjIce Ice Baby! What does the scouter say about his tryhard level?!

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over_9000.pngsly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_385_by_connordavidson-daa4yclCrushed to death by a fursona’s enormous crotch-goblin. What a way to go.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_386_by_connordavidson-daai84aNo, it’s probably whatever chemicals are in those smoke grenades that Sly suddenly has and didn’t think to use to evade Torus’s men or the castle guards.

Oh, and why is Sly’s shirt getting progressively more ripped as the fight is going on? There’s not even anything that’s hitting him.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_387_by_connordavidson-daalvf9.jpg“I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll…. SPOUT STALE MEMES!!!”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_387_by_connordavidson-daalvf91.jpgYou are assuming, my good Director, that he had an appreciable quantity of either of those things in the first place.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_388_by_connordavidson-dab3vqhAaaand then Ice Ice Baby has to go and fuck it up.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_389_by_connordavidson-dacgr14.jpgWait, you have??? WHY??? You’d never even met Dominic Torus before today! The sum total of your interactions with him are dominated by the conversation you are having NOW!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_389_by_connordavidson-dacgr141.jpgAnd now we’re ripping off the ending of Madoka for some reason. Grand.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_390_by_connordavidson-dacktq1Good thinking, Skly, but unfortunately the Magical Mystery Crystals are protected by a dense and impenetrable layer of bullshit.

And how did your cane flip around mid-swing there?

If it seems like I’m just picking on tiny little continuity issues to the exclusion of anything else, it’s because there’s not really much else to this comic any more. These spaced-out action scenes are really getting annoying.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_391_by_connordavidson-daddhx2.jpgHuh. Looks like the Cooper Gang are actually doing the decent thing and fighting the castle guards, instead of what they were doing before what was just flee and let the castle guards straight-up kill Torus’s men.

Bonus points for Fox Obnoxious getting on the wrong side of THE MURRAY. Hopefully he ends up in interstellar space like that one rock.

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Also, Childish Gambino Gonorrhea’s fursona seems to vary greatly in size from panel to panel. Previously he was only about twice as tall as Sly, now he’s as big as a helicopter.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_393_by_connordavidson-dadp6s5.jpg“Oh god… your breath…. it’s horrible…….”

And does Davidson really expect us to believe that a broken window is all that’s supporting the fursona’s weight right now?

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“HEY! Werewolves Of London is a COPYRIGHTED song!!”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_395_by_connordavidson-daedxvr.jpgActually, I doubt that. Give Director Torus a chance to come back with a few more of those freeze-gun choppers or some actual explosives and I don’t think this guy’d be able to put up much of a fight.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_395_by_connordavidson-daedxvr1.jpgGood question.

Seriously, this has been going on for like ten pages already.

Also Ice Ice Baby might be dead or something I don’t know.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_396_by_connordavidson-daes1v4.jpgSuddenly, GHOST DAD EX MACHINA!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_397_by_connordavidson-dagu4uj.jpgYou know, this kind of revolving-door afterlife really kind of takes the punch out of life or death peril. Why worry if a character is going to make it when their ghost can just drop by for Sunday coffee every week anyway?

Not that I cared whether the characters in this thing lived or died before, of course. But it’s the principal of the thing.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_397_by_connordavidson-dagu4uj1.jpg Translation:

“Davidson couldn’t be arsed to have Sly sort out these issues himself without random exposition from beyond the grave, nor could he come up with a plausible mechanism to explain my absence from every single canonical source, so I pretty much just appear whenever I god damn feel like it.”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_398_by_connordavidson-dah1j6t.jpg“No, actually I’m Cesar DeRoque hiding behind a retroreflective cardboard cut-out.”

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“KNEEL before the impenetrable density of my MASSIVE WALLS OF TEXT!!!!!!”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_399_by_connordavidson-dahzij11 By about 15 pages.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_400_by_connordavidson-daiejifOk so I guess ghosts are fireproof now in addition to being able to pick up and manipulate physical objects.

Really, if ghosts can do everything or nearly everything they did in life, and go wherever they want, and are also substantially more durable, what actually is the downside to dying?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_400_by_connordavidson-daiejif1.jpgOh for fuck’s sake. This conversation is officially making me look back fondly on the halcyon days of better season 5 end!

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And then the radio said “No, Drake, you are the Edge.”

And then Drake was a Clockwerk.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_402_by_connordavidson-daiyqmvWait, was Clockwerk supposed to be literally possessing the Magical Mystery Crystals the whole time or something?

Yeah, no. The second game already established that his consciousness was still present in his old mechanical body and pretty much took over Neyla’s when she tried to upload herself into it.

Also,

Hardcore.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_403_by_connordavidson-dajt76l“And right now what I am is really craving M&Ms for some reason.”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_404_by_connordavidson-dak0v69.jpgWe heard you the first time…

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_404_by_connordavidson-dak0v691.jpgsly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_405_by_connordavidson-dakeqxxAnd this sudden change of heart has caused Birdman Restonvirus to become… EXACTLY THE SAME ROIDED-OUT FURSONA HE WAS PREVIOUSLY!!!!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_406_by_connordavidson-dakrpoyWait, how did destroying the Magical Mystery Crystals restore his pants??? I could actually buy then just having stayed on the whole time since the fursona isn’t even that much larger, but Davidson explicitly removed them and then brought them back! And if his pants got merged into the fursona like a D&D polymorph spell, why was his shirt not likewise preserved?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_407_by_connordavidson-daljomf.jpgTechnically he was also crying just before he transformed.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_407_by_connordavidson-daljomf1.jpg“I mean, you broke the medallion I gave you as a birthday present; founded a criminal empire where your five underlings had to do all the work for you despite your ability to teleport and use mind control; got all five of those underlings arrested; tried unsuccessfully to frame a UN official for extremely mild misconduct; then hulked out and failed to destroy a helicopter. What more could a parent ask for?”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_408_by_connordavidson-dam0uw1Wait, that explosion did nothing to harm Sly who was standing five meters away, and yet it somehow destabilized the entire castle?

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What was stopping him from just teleporting to safety?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_411_by_connordavidson-dao0819.jpgOh. Right. She‘s still alive. And… apparently SECRETLY THE PRIMARY VILLAIN OF THE WHOLE COMIC or something??

What’s with this sudden emphasis on trying to avenge Snow, anyway? Snow was actively trying to kill her, and in any case Colonel Zahn was just as culpable for Snow’s death because he gave Snow the contract and the exploding gun but Ice Ice Baby didn’t seem to have anything special to say while she was arresting him

Really, Director Torus would’ve been a lot better off if he’d just spent that portion of the R&D budget on some better weapons for his helicopter.

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OW.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_412_by_connordavidson-daopm5k.jpg“We don’t have time for grudges and emotional breakdowns,” he says, after FOUR HUNDRED PAGES of nothing but grudges and emotional breakdowns.

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“Tumblr powers… ACTIVATE!”

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_413_by_connordavidson-daovzvu1Well that was stupidly convenient.

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sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_415_by_connordavidson-dapq505Well if everyone was just going to fall anyway then what was the point of all that?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_416_by_connordavidson-dapwerbYeah this is what I meant about the teleporting thing. Why didn’t he just do this, first?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_417_by_connordavidson-daqabndAnd I guess this is supposed to indicate that Ned saved Director Torus from the helicopter crash. Although given that while it was damaged it wasn’t this beat up when last we saw it and Torus seemed to still have control of the thing, it’s equally plausible that Ned was in fact the one who crashed it with that grappling-hand gadget.

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sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_419_by_connordavidson-dar0wgb.jpgAnd they all lived crappily ever after.

You know the density of the comic has really just evaporated in this finale. There’s precious little actually happening in a given panel and it’s actually kind of refreshing compared to the walls of convoluted dialogue we were getting at the beginning of this arc.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_419_by_connordavidson-dar0wgb1.jpgGraaaaaah just kiss already!

Also those handcuffs aren’t really going to do much good given that he can FUCKING TELEPORT.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_420_by_connordavidson-darn9ex.jpg“I’ll always be a cop at heart… why is why I’m going to be openly working with the world’s most notorious master thief for an indeterminate amount of time!”

Also, good to know that Bubo reinstated both of these assclowns despite the fact that they were in fact aiding and abetting the Cooper Gang and Carmelita has stated a desire to continue to do so.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_420_by_connordavidson-darn9ex1You know I will say that at least this comic does attempt to have something resembling pacing towards the end and actually create a sense of closure when most of the ‘fics we’ve had here just say “and then the good guys won” if they even have an actual ending at all and don’t just stop midway through. I just wish it tasted a little less like diabetes.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_421_by_connordavidson-das9mgp“I got an actual processed image this time instead of an MS Paint drawing!”

An image that is notably absent from every other shot of the room even though Bentley is in the same place…

Also, Carmelita just gave the Cooper Gang back their (stolen!) loot?

Standing up for fairness and justice, ladies and gentlebeings! Director Torus would never have let that happen…

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_421_by_connordavidson-das9mgp1.jpgYeah, I’m with the turtle on this one. What’s so great about Rich Homie Quan Porcine Intestinal Spirochaetosis anyway? Even if he’s no longer a menace to the entire world he’s still a preening, insufferable prick who worked with the likes of Lady Venom and Colonel Zahn.

You know I am really beginning to think that ConnorDavidson does not like Bentley for whatever reason. Which is a shame, because he’s one of the things that originally drew me to the Sly Cooper games.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_422_by_connordavidson-dasd5pw.jpgTechnically Sly only saved Coolio E. Coli once but E-40 Emphysematous Cystitis saved Sly three times. Although all of those were kind of his own fault to begin with anyway.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_422_by_connordavidson-dasd5pw1.jpgSo… what was the point of that conversation?

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_423_by_connordavidson-dasrpzsBad guys like…. who, exactly?

Actually, Davidson, please don’t answer that. I don’t want to wade through any more goddamn villain bios.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue_page_424_by_connordavidson-dasuih5Oh.

And of course he gets busted out of jail because HEAVEN FOWBID OWR PWECIOUS STU have to actually own up to any of the consequences of his actions!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_1_by_connordavidson-dau7emo Yeah because Dimitri would totally want to start a musical career with the man who beat him up so badly he ended up in the ICU.

Oh, hey, that’s the same weird abstract ‘rave’ background from the original turbo heist! Guess some things just always stay shit.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_2_by_connordavidson-dau7t55 Yeah because it’s so hard to spot the one student who isn’t an exact copypaste duplicate.

So, basically, Kre’s disguise artistry is exactly in line with his other ninja skills.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_3_by_connordavidson-dau8b2jWait, what lawsuits? He was arrested on criminal charges, not challenged in anything civil! I suppose Interpol could have fined him or confiscated some of his money if they could prove it had been earned unlawfully, but was it? We don’t even know if his company was privately held or publically traded! Actually, for that matter, we don’t even know what it was CALLED!

I dunno, I figure having to go into work every day and perform for an audience of FACELESS ABOMINATIONS is more than punishment enough.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_4_by_connordavidson-dau9gmiDon’t worry, I’m sure he’ll find much more rewarding and meaningful employment here at RIFFCON.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_5_by_connordavidson-daud1joAn organization, once again, that employed the likes of Lady Venom and Colonel Zahn. And those same bloodthirsty psychotic guards.

And apparently also strippers because I guess all the edge and Magical Mystery Crystals and having sex with cannibal movie stars was still just too damn classy.

Although if he’s running the outfit with “his usual charm” I give him about three minutes before some infuriated gangster beats him to a pulp.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_6_by_connordavidson-daugfjtYeah that does sound like the sort of thing that Judge Bubo would do.

I assume it’s only a matter of time before the sexual harassment complaints start piling up. Oh well, it’s not Torus’s problem any more!

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_7_by_connordavidson-dauiausThis magazine cover confuses me. It’s got the red border like Time, the font is like Maxim, and the articles mentioned sound like a mix of what you’d find in People or Cosmopolitan.

And, again, what lawsuits? Did her butler sue her for something?

Oh yeah, and that bit about an egg?

Yeah, that would be this abomination of nature who appears multiple times in Davidson’s gallery.
slade_venom___oc_ref_sheet_by_connordavidson-dbhw2sy And somehow, I doubt that Big Sean Pasteurella Dagmatis is paying child support, although really given his parentage I will be immensely surprised if this guy makes it out of adolescence in one piece.

I also own several of that exact same style of shirt.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_8_by_connordavidson-dauot1xWait, why is Colonel Zahn- a mass-murdering arms dealer who ordered mercenary forces to fire automatic weapons at Interpol officers- out of jail at the same time as all the others, when Cesar DeRoque just tried to bribe one officer and Lady Venom was supposedly only able to be convicted of minor crimes?!

And there’s a random musclefur because of course there fucking is.

sly_cooper__thief_of_virtue___epilogue_part_9_by_connordavidson-daur7tgI hope he freezes to death out there.

Or, in an ironic twist of fate, his constant howling summons a massive number of regular non-anthro wolves who claw him to smithereens.

ALSO:

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And that, all you patrons, was Sly Cooper: Thief Of Virtue.

It was not, in fact, a porno.

Mostly.

Riffing it was, however, certainly an emotional journey for me as a Librarian. There were times when it was so boring that I had to force myself to sit down and deal with it and could only handle it in small doses. There were times when it was so hilariously stupid that I was putting aside other projects and even my actual work just to have a chance at riffing more of it at once. And now that it’s over I feel, overall, immensely relieved.

Part of that, I am sure, is because I typically do not riff things which are this large and was kind of just getting tired of it towards the end. Bats? Taco? I have no idea how you guys do it. But part of it was that whether the thing bored me or amused me or pissed me off, never once did I feel like I was experiencing the comic the way ConnorDavidson intended for me to experience it. And after a little while that became kind of exhausting.

I’d like to rage at this comic. I’d like to talk about how its weird fetishes and constant philosophical impositions pissed me off and ruined the Sly series for me forever, but never once did it strike me as any more than tangentially related to the themes, concepts, and lore of the actual games. I can’t even really afford it the dignity of hatred; it’s just so obviously the work of a kid who’s been listening to too many Avenged Sevenfold albums and got exposed to the manifold dramas of FurAffinity without the necessary psychological distance.

I dunno, this thing wrapped up four-odd years ago and maybe Davidson has matured since then. His art style certainly has, even though most of what he’s doing now is just fetish commissions. If he ever does end up reading this, I hope he is able to take it as the educational device for which it is intended and maybe take the opportunity to get back to doing some original work with a fresh perspective. I, however, am moving on to shorter, spoopier things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


56 Comments on “2147: Sly Cooper: Thief Of Virtue — Pages 374 Through Epilogues (Yes There Are Multiple Epilogues)”

  1. ZuesKillerProductions says:

    Don’t worry, I’m sure he’ll find much more rewarding and meaningful employment here at RIFFCON

    Considering what happens here, he deserves that much at least.

  2. ZuesKillerProductions says:

    Oh yeah, and that bit about an egg?

    Yeah, that would be this abomination of nature who appears multiple times in Davidson’s gallery.

    slade_venom___oc_ref_sheet_by_connordavidson-dbhw2sy

    And somehow, I doubt that Big Sean Pasteurella Dagmatis is paying child support, although really given his parentage I will be immensely surprised if this guy makes it out of adolescence in one piece.

    Oh great, Edgelord’s breeding.

    Quick, someone set up a veterinarian appointment!

  3. ZuesKillerProductions says:

    I hope he freezes to death out there.

    Or, in an ironic twist of fate, his constant howling summons a massive number of regular non-anthro wolves who claw him to smithereens.

    I’d pay to see that.

    • Serketry says:

      Not in my backyard. I’m not cleaning that up, and I don’t want his ghost angsting at me and mine up here.

  4. BatJamags says:

    That’s not fear I smell, is it?

    That… sounds familiar.

    In Star Wars: The Old Republic, each player character class has certain canned quotes that get recycled constantly in various conversations, and I distinctly recall my Sith Inquisitor threatening people with that exact quote on numerous occasions. Like, that’s an obscure enough thing that it could just be a coincidence, but it’s weirding me out that the author used exactly the same phrasing.

    • Zues Killer Productions says:

      Yeah, it’s an inquisitor quote.

      Of course, it could just be a coincidence, considering that it sounds generic enough.

    • Anne Eyewitness says:

      I heard that so much it basically became my inquisitor’s catchphrase. That, “Murder and mayhem await!” and just zapping people.

      She’s not a very nice person.

      • BatJamags says:

        My Inquisitor racked up far more light side points than I intended by pretending to be nice to people so he could get what he wanted out of them (I was shooting for Occlus, but had to grind Black Talon a little to get down from Imperious territory). He’s still pretty smug, so I ended up with a lot more “That’s not fear I smell, is it?” than “[Shock him.]”

        • Anne Eyewitness says:

          I have never passed up a single opportunity to shock or murder somebody with my inquisitor. She’s a full dark side cartoon supervillain and I love it.

          I think I the only light side points she got were for saying no to Valkorion controlling her body every time he offered. She’s evil, not completely stupid.

  5. BatJamags says:

    Really, if ghosts can do everything or nearly everything they did in life, and go wherever they want, and are also substantially more durable, what actually is the downside to dying?

    Your capacity to return being subject to vague, arbitrary, and unexplained restrictions (AKA author fiat)?

    • AdmiralSakai says:

      Seems like another upside to me- it is very rare for whiny, drama-prone mortals to be able to bother you.

  6. BatJamags says:

    Well that was stupidly convenient.

    And conveniently stupid!

  7. BatJamags says:

    Dominic Torus promptly resigned as Chief Director of Interpol after the disaster. With a pension fitting of his service and station, he would spend the rest of his life haunted by the cost of his mistakes.

    Namely:
    -Selecting nutjobs like Snow and Ice for his supersoldier program.
    -Allowing Ned to be hired on his watch.
    -Not locking up Ned and Carmelita while he had the chance.
    -Ever listening to Bubo about anything, ever.
    -Holding on to the Magical Mystery Mind Control Crystal rather than locking it away deep underground.
    -Letting the Cooper Gang back out to interfere with the Switzerland operation.
    -Also maybe some profiling or something?

    • AdmiralSakai says:

      Although, in the august Director’s defense…

      -Selecting nutjobs like Snow and Ice for his supersoldier program.

      Although really, despite her crippling emotional issues and horrifying fashion sense Ice Ice Baby teeters alarmingly on the border of adequacy in the finale, and all of his other officers seem more interested in forming love triangles or standing around with coffee cups not telling anyone when random psychos break into the building, so it is entirely possible those two were the best candidates he had available.

      Now there’s something to keep you awake at night!

      -Allowing Ned to be hired on his watch.

      I don’t know if Ned was hired on his watch! It is entirely possible he’s a holdover from the Bubo era, as I have no problem whatsoever believing that Ned Grey remained in the same low-level position for 20 consecutive years while everyone else was promoted around him.

      -Not locking up Ned and Carmelita while he had the chance.

      I don’t think he did have the chance, actually. He only had solid proof they were working with the Cooper Gang during Zahn heist- I suppose he could have pulled security camera footage showing Sly entering and leaving Carmelita’s office or computer logs, but given the quality of the rest of the staff I am imagining his IT department just spends their entire shifts downloading gigabyte upon gigabyte of Lady Venom sex tapes.

      -Ever listening to Bubo about anything, ever.

      Yeah that one’s pretty indefensible. In fact, given that he apparently has multiple Swiss bank accounts he doesn’t want Interpol to know about and adjudicates cases based on whether he approves of the plaintiff’s sex life I’m a little surprised his suspender’d ass is not currently sitting in jail right now. Probably he’s made sure the arrest warrants will get misplaced, or the Judicial Council doesn’t have a courtroom physically large enough to accommodate the titanic walls of text he would produce if he chose to represent himself.

      -Holding on to the Magical Mystery Mind Control Crystal rather than locking it away deep underground.

      Although he had no reason to suspect that Scatman Toxoplasmosis could teleport until Switzerland.

      -Letting the Cooper Gang back out to interfere with the Switzerland operation.

      I imagine his thinking was that since they’re completely incompetent and always defeat themselves, but also really dislike him, they would in fact turn around and become helpful. Chief Director Torus is a tactical GENIUS!

      -Also maybe some profiling or something?

      It’s hard to match a suspect description when everyone looks exactly the same from the neck down.

  8. BatJamags says:

    Yeah, that would be this abomination of nature who appears multiple times in Davidson’s gallery.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  9. BatJamags says:

    Bats? Taco? I have no idea how you guys do it.

    Well, one thing I’d point out is that you riffed this thing all at once. Taco takes breaks in the middle of his big projects to riff oneshots, and while I don’t want to put words in his mouth, I imagine it’s for the same reason I’m breaking The Shadow Warriors into five-chapter chunks: it’s just exhausting to slog through that much at once. I’ve got a riff in the Backlog of Doom (it’ll start going up in March) that went on far too long without doing anything and I had to abandon it less than halfway through. It’s been so long since I initially wrote that riff that I think I’ll be fresh enough to finish it off, but only because I had a few months (maybe even a year – I don’t remember exactly when I wrote it) to sort of reset.

    The Shadow Warriors is a nice long-term project because it’s not necessarily boring (at least, not in the way something like Love & Bullets was), and it’s only occasionally offensive. That makes it kind of a familiar “base” I can always come back to and make fun of, but my patience for that is contingent on my ability to cut loose with other stuff in between the five-chapter chunks. I usually refuse to riff any non-Shadow Warriors fic with more than twenty chapters unless it manages to really piss me off (like the one from the Backlog of Doom did – that’s twenty-five chapters and I had to check out at ten).

    • Herr Wozzeck says:

      Hey, don’t forget me in all this! Parallel Realities took an entire year to snark, you know!

      And… yeah, pretty much what Batjamags said. If you’re doing a riff that’s longer than 10 installments, it’s usually a good idea to take a break from it at some point. When I did Parallel Realities, I took three breaks: one at the end of the ME1 arc, one in the middle of the ME2 arc, and a final one at the end of the ME3 arc.

      But sometimes, it also doesn’t hurt to choose the right fic. I can’t begin to tell you how long I’ve been considering snarking A Southern Californian in King Cailan’s Court mostly owing to a Mary Sue protagonist, but the problem is it’s too long and not too consistently horrible the whole way through. Things like Parallel Realites are really great riff material, and Parallel Realities for me was great because not only was it consistently terrible all the way through, but it also kept finding new ways to be terrible with each chapter. Fics with longer patches that aren’t really riffable due to not being terrible tend to be worse off for wear: the end of When You’re Strange felt a lot like this because it stopped being hair-tearingly awful towards the end, for instance. And sometimes, fics can just be exhausting if they punch your buttons, the way FaCe ThE StRaNgE did for me.

      • AdmiralSakai says:

        Yeah I ran into the petering-out problem with Love of a Spartan pretty hard, which I was totally OK with because the author turned out to be a decent sort who had already improved her writing significantly.

        There’s actually another ‘fic I’ve been letting sit in my links folder for a while now but haven’t riffed due to length, and I may take a swing at it with what you’ve said in mind.

    • TacoMagic says:

      Bats has an important part of it there: breaks are paramount to keeping your sanity together in the big projects.

      The other part of it is planning. I take a look at a project at the outset and plan when I’m going to take my breaks way in advance. Like with The True Force I knew before I started that I was going to take breaks after chapter 10 and after chapter 20. It gives me a sense of pacing and progress which helps keep me focused.

      Another big thing for me is keeping the weekly riffs a digestible size. Personally, reading long riffs is somewhat difficult with my busy schedule. So since I prefer reading the shorter ones that happen in more installments, I have always planned around trying to keep my riffs at or below the 5,000 word mark. Yeah it makes projects longer, but the weekly break between each 5k chunk feels like it causes a lot less burnout than doing marathon-length riffs and getting it done in fewer weeks.

      I’ve been breaking that rule a lot with True Force because it’s so freaking gigantic and I don’t want to be at it for four years (it’s going to be long enough, clocking in at almost two years). Oddly, True Force has been tremendously fun to riff, so I haven’t minded pushing above that upper boundary thus far. We’ll see how long that holds.

  10. BatJamags says:

    You know what sucks the most about this?

    It’s actually kinda good in some ways.

    Don’t get me wrong; it’s dumb as hell and I definitely wouldn’t read it for personal entertainment, but Davidson exhibits a level of basic storytelling competence that very few authors we see on here have. My favorite fallback for narrative analysis is Aristotle’s six dramatic elements, so let’s go with that.

    THEME
    Davidson actually has a pretty clear idea of what he wants his theme to be: We are what we choose to be, not what the world makes us. He delivers that message in an absurdly ham-fisted manner, doesn’t really address it in the first half of the comic, and tries to awkwardly wrap it into political discussions where it doesn’t fit, but that could have been a viable theme. If he’d made each villain’s failing a result of their own inability to accept that they had a choice, it would have been smoother and subtler than just having Dad Lupus and Smash Mouth Cottonmouth recite it at the top of their lungs all the time.

    PLOT
    Strip away all the pointless melodrama, and the plot, while bare-bones, has a fairly logical progression from one heist to the next. I might’ve skipped the Snow arc and had Sly only get arrested once, but whatever.

    Of course, what harms this is the tenuous connections leading the characters from one arc to the next, and the fact that they often take time away from the current pressing issue to wallow in the aforementioned melodrama.

    Also, nothing with how the Magical Mystery Crystals and the ghosts work is ever explained, so that sucks.

    CHARACTERS
    Alright, I’m going to have to deploy subheadings here.

    -Handling of Canon Characters
    I can’t speak to this very well because I have no familiarity with the original games, but Carmelita is treated as a Generic Love Interest who regularly affirms how much of a coppity coppy cop she is, but then seems to not really be bothered by working with a criminal. Nor does she ever do much of anything of significance other than have arguments with Sly and get pined after by Ned. Speaking of which…

    -Ned
    Largely useless and unnecessary. Boring, irrelevant, and far too angsty to be as sympathetic as he’s intended to be. Ned is the only completely irredeemable character in this thing, in my opinion. Yes, that includes Gerard Way Dementia and Fox Obnoxious (Obfoxious?).

    -Ice Ice Baby
    I have no idea what Davidson was trying to accomplish with this character. Noble Demon? Femme Fatale? The Dragon? The Mole? Those tropes aren’t necessarily incompatible, but Ice seems to jump around between them for no clear reason, and she ultimately doesn’t really serve much of a purpose in the story. Well, other than bad fanservice, that is.

    -Fox Obnoxious
    He’s supposed to be funny, but he’s just an asshole. Also, he accomplishes almost nothing whatsoever.

    -Dominic Torus
    I think we’ve more than covered what went wrong with Chief Director Donut Torus. Namely, that we never directly saw him doing anything evil enough to warrant the dislike Davidson seems to expect us to have for him. Considering he seems to be intended as the least sympathetic character in the comic, that’s a serious failure.

    -Kevin Turbo
    Boring and vaguely stereotypical. Insignificant in the scheme of things. Could’ve worked in the broader message by having him insist he had no choice but to use Cher Bends’ magic steroids and get burned out by it or something.

    -Master Kre
    I couldn’t really tell whether he was supposed to be a competent opponent surrounded by really dumb henchmen, or vastly overestimating his own skill. It’s hard to write an incompetent character when you fail so bad at making anyone else look competent by comparison.

    Maybe the message could’ve been fit in by emphasizing that he was relying on his cronies and got his stuff blown up when he could’ve handled things himself?

    -Cesar DeRoque
    Why’d Davidson have such a hate-on for this guy in particular? Who knows? It’s a waste of a potentially interesting villain regardless. Maybe he could’ve implemented a twist where DeRoque was actually perfectly honest but being intimidated into supporting the Mildly Sleazy Six, to cover the free will stuff?

    -Captain Snow
    I refuse to say anything nice about such a Liefeldy character.

    -Colonel Zahn
    Zahn talks too much and ends up screwing around with his dumb henchmen every bit as much as the other bosses, which ruins his badass cred. As the one boss who does seem to have picked his own path, it would’ve been nice to see Zahn be a bit more proactive and successful rather than just mildly more capable of staving off Sly.

    -The Sylvers Boogie Fever
    And now, the main event. The man (or wolf, or Duck Wolf) who could’ve tied everything together effectively, but didn’t. There are, I think, two ways this character could’ve been interesting:

    Less is More: If he was supposed to be mysterious, he shouldn’t have appeared so often. He could’ve done something like Clockwerk where he just pops up in some odd place in each heist, but seems to just be watching. Maybe establish that all the other bosses are only working together out of fear/respect for some unknown external party.

    Show, don’t Tell: Establish at least some information about who he is up front. Show us, through some mechanism or other, how he was able to contact and coordinate the other bosses, and why he’s they’re leader. Most importantly, explain in a clear and uncontradictory fashion what he’s actually hopping to accomplish with his plan, and why his plan helps him accomplish it. A good strategist will, all other things being equal, take the least complicated route to success, so anything he does should have a clear reason why it helps him and why there’s nothing more efficient he could be doing to the same end.

    And in either case, don’t be so damned edgy all the time. Good villains aren’t trying to look cool, they’re focused on their evil schemes. Seeing The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis constantly lounging around and preening and making ominous declarations just undercuts any respect that could’ve been built for the character.

    DIALOGUE
    Meh, it’s mostly just kind of stilted, You’ve covered what’s wrong with it pretty well already.

    MOOD
    Some varied lighting might help. And backgrounds. And angles that aren’t a dead-on ninety-degree two-shot (though considering Davidson’s track record with perspective, I should be careful what I wish for). Also, cut the photo background shit. Davidson actually does get better at setting the tone towards the end. The finale could’ve been legitimately epic if the characters and the way we got there hadn’t been so stupid.

    SPECTACLE
    Not every fight scene needs a splash page, and some of them call for more than three awkward poses. That’s really all I have to say on the matter.

    Honestly, the whole thing feels like a first draft something that could actually be good, but it would need a hell of a lot of editing to get there.

  11. Serketry says:


    Wait… wait… His power comes from the Alaskan wilds, and his personal wolf goons were wearing stereotypical Native American feathers… what the fuck, Davidson? Get the fuck outta my home state! You’re not even the right kind of wolf for these parts! Wow, this… this irritates me more than it should.

  12. Herr Wozzeck says:


    Hey now, I could actually buy this random bout of PTSD-induced angst. Sometimes, specific words do actually conjure up some less-than-pleasant images in some people.

    It could work… if, you know, Connor Davidson bothered to set it up. Which he clearly didn’t.

  13. Herr Wozzeck says:


    Oh look, some more fourth-wall breaking “humor”!

  14. Herr Wozzeck says:


    Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha.

    *BAM*

    Too bad this is the part where I call out your shitty attempt at a joke for what it is.

  15. Herr Wozzeck says:


    You know, Drake actually brings up a compelling point. If he hadn’t vanished all ghost-like, who’s to say Drake wouldn’t have wound up this messed up.

    It’s like you say: the fact they can come back at will takes the punch out of the whole “dead” thing.

    • AdmiralSakai says:

      I mean, it’s not like Young Drake wouldn’t have been messed up anyway if he’d been raised by Jack the whole time, but hopefully it’d have just been regular dickwad messed-up and not apocalyptically messed-up.

  16. Herr Wozzeck says:

    *snerk*

    Oh my God, this guy sounds like a second-rate Final Fantasy villain!

  17. Herr Wozzeck says:

    “I won’t tell anyone. I don’t know about Sly Cooper or Dad Cooper or even Ice Ice Baby, though…”

  18. Herr Wozzeck says:

    What was stopping him from just teleporting to safety?

    Dramatic convenience.

  19. Herr Wozzeck says:

    That moment when Carmelita’s pose gets copy-pasted across panels, but the expression isn’t.

  20. Herr Wozzeck says:

    Yeah, I’m with the turtle on this one. What’s so great about Rich Homie Quan Porcine Intestinal Spirochaetosis anyway?

    You mean aside from the giant helping of Villain Studom?

  21. Herr Wozzeck says:


    Ah yes, a position at Sea World… where the orca would eat him, because orcas eat penguins.

    • AdmiralSakai says:

      The one near the oil rig didn’t seem to take much of a liking to him and there’s other staff around so I’m pretty sure he’d be safe, but it’s still a weird career path given that Davidson seems dedicated to portraying him as having zero charisma, stage presence, or persuasive skills.

    • StreetsAhead59 says:

      Funniest part was in the artist’s comments bit, he actually had to ask his viewers to not make any jokes about that.

      • AdmiralSakai says:

        I mean, if I’d seen that I totally would have made the joke, just to spite him.

        • StreetsAhead59 says:

          It could and would have spelled trouble; like, the public drama type. That’s all I can and will tell you without getting into too much detail about what would have happened.

          That’s not to say your snark wouldn’t have been funny of course…
          But I think the joke the author was referring to how apparently a few workers were killed at SeaWorld by whales at the time…still, the author certainly didn’t help himself making a penguin their newest employee, nor did he think about the unfortunate implications he was making.

        • AdmiralSakai says:

          Because all the other attempts by this comic to engage with IRL serious issues turned out so well, too.

        • StreetsAhead59 says:

          Hahaha…you don’t have to tell me twice; I still have a shit-ton to say about what the author did with Shelby down the line. See you later on the review!

  22. TacoMagic says:

    Also these castle backgrounds compare unfavorably to Doom 2.

    No, not the earworm! Noooooooooo!

  23. TacoMagic says:

    Bats? Taco? I have no idea how you guys do it.

    Equal parts of dedication, stubbornness, and stupidity.

  24. AdmiralSakai says:

    So I’ve been thinking over the ‘sequel to Thief of Virtue’ thing with Mom Lupus and Director Torus and I think it’s got some legitimate potential. So I’ve started fleshing it out in the admin boards with the aim of creating a tentative outline and/or pitch-bible for further evaluation, and I’ve gotten some good feedback from my fellow Librarians.

    For a good long while, “anti-Thief-of-Virtue” was in dire need of a central villain. I know that this person or entity has been manipulating Drake, the Cooper Gang, and Carmelita both through the ghosts/visions (the ghosts aren’t really Dad Cooper and Dad Lupus but rather illusiory projections of the same entity, which explains why they never appeared before now) and outright mind control (which is why they were all acting so dumb and OOC).

    BatJamags, Herr Wozzek, and I have kind of all come to a shared consensus that this entity was bound inside of the Magical Mystery Crystals and released when they were shattered, and is now able to exist as an incorporeal force entirely on its own. It is now trying to possess Drake and basically live the rest of its life as him, and possibly advance some other kind of plan as well. We had considered Clockwerk or some sort of other completely original character, but the general consensus has been that this is actually the ghost of *Dad Lupus*. He’s Davidson’s main mouthpiece, and so could effectively stand for what’s wrong with Davidson’s work. He’s the one who preaches incessantly about self-determinism, which is easy for him to do if he pulls the strings; additionally I thought the idea of him trying to regain corporeal form by possessing HIS BIOLOGICAL SON, and there is unintentional support for this in the comic itself in the very creepy way he tries to make Young Drake act exactly like he does. What eventually won me over to this idea completely was, again, one of Davidson’s slipups. In the finale Drake’s super-mutant fursona says something to the effect of “I’ve been waiting to do this for 20 years” to Director Torus even though Drake and Torus have never met. I’m just gonna say that wasn’t Drake talking. That was Jack.

    I had actually considered the possibility that the primary mastermind behind all of this would in fact be JUDGE BUBO, since he’s certainly enough of a dick to be manipulating people like this and also his appointment of pushover Ned to Director puts him in prime position to control Interpol from the shadows. In the original comic, though, Bubo comes across as more small-minded and buffoonish than sublte and mastermindy, and he just doesn’t have that big of a role in the story. I suppose all of those things could be deliberate affectations to throw suspicion off of him, but I’m just not feeling it. Instead, I think that Bubo, like Vick Dodger and Drake, is just an unwitting pawn of Dad Lupus.

    In fact, I really like the idea of characters like Judge Bubo being misled or outright forced by circumstances beyond their control into doing things which they are later taken to task for as being their own choices… ESPECIALLY since Davidson and his mouthpiece characters seem to be the type of ‘libertarians’ who think freedom means the freedom to do what THEY want even if it means hurting or restricting the rights of someone ELSE and it would be fun to see them on the receiving end of that and completely unable to comprehend it.

    In terms of the good-guys side of the comic I am thinking that it starts with interaction between Mom Lupus and Director Torus- both have been investigating the events surrounding the ToV debacle and figuring out that some third party was orchestrating it all and the Cooper Gang et al were acting strangely (very probably Torus recognizes the implications of “Drake” claiming he’d waited 20 years for revenge against a man Drake had never met), and so after finding out about each other they decide to join forces and get to the bottom of it. Wozzek has proposed that Torus is the one to seek out Mom Lupus, a reluctant heroine who wants nothing more than to hide off and live a normal life but then finally rises to the call when it proves too overbearing, and I think that works really well.

    I am thinking that their investigation quickly forces the two to start undertaking what are basically Sly-style heists. Given that Mom Lupus has been living off the grid and on the run from Jack and his cronies (I have absolutely no problem believing that Bubo, player of favorites that he is, continued hunting for her even after Dad Lupus’s death) for the last few decades, if she also happened to be heavily into, say, mountaineering I figure she could handle at least rudimentary burglary at the start and improve with practice and possibly interaction with Sly. Ex-Director Torus is of course not immediately going to be comfortable with this but given the stakes I imagine could be talked into it, especially once he sees Interpol under Ned’s (and Bubo’s) administration becoming more and more ineffectual. Given that a two-man gang where neither member is a professional burglar or hacker is not going to get very far I figure one of their objectives in addition to following Drake’s trail would be a Sly-3-style effort to recruit additional gang members with skills they need. I suppose Torus and Mom Lupus could just snap Sly and his pals out of their mind control early on and team up with THEM, but I like the idea of being able to introduce and discuss other characters (either OCs or canonical Sly ones) and think Sly’s recovery should be saved for the endgame or close to it.

    One slot that I know should be filled is that of a dedicated mystic/occultist- partially because the plot by nature heavily involves ghosts and spirits and other paranormal elements, partially because it’d just be fun to see Drake suddenly encounter someone who can counter his ambiguous powers and dish out worse, and partially because I want to drive the point home that contrary to Davidson’s portrayal magic is in fact pretty common in the Sly universe and doesn’t make Drake special or immune to any sort of analysis. We haven’t seen hide nor hair of the Sly 1 character Mz. Ruby in any of the other games or ToV so she could fill this slot, or it could really be anyone else.

    I’d also like to see Cesar DeRoque come back and actually be hardcore and get revenge on Drake and Zahn and Lady Venom for his humiliation; either as a collaborator of Torus or antagonist. His primary skillset, though, seems to be centered around legal and political influence and large-scale structural/logistic engineering as opposed to computer/signals infiltration, so I don’t think he’d add any skills that Director Torus himself does not already have, so the general consensus is leaning away from ‘collaborator’ and towards ‘antagonist’.

    Another character I *was* initially considering including was actually my own OC ‘General Rillek’ from Palaven’s Dogs, as a munitions and military tactics specialist to counter Colonel Zahn. I figured that as a ‘gentleman officer’ who isn’t particularly physically tough but is clever, well-connected, and charismatic he’d be good for taking Zahn to task for winning through brute invincibility and author fiat. Additionally he could have some very interesting conversations with Drake Lupus about how the two of them have reacted very differently to loss and trauma. However, I have some serious concerns about injecting what is kind of my signature OC into the work (especially since even in his native setting I have to write him extremely carefully because he has kind of a natural tendency to overtake other characters and concepts), and his skills are also kind of the same as Director Torus’s own while DeRoque can do the work of confronting Zahn.

    Serketry has also pointed out that Torus probably still commands a lot of loyalty from his old Interpol forces seeing as he was on the front lines straight-up headbutting shotgun-wielding psychos who were trying to kill them, and also if we go with the theory that Torus is in fact of Congolese descent he’s probably something of a national hero in that country as well for taking out Colonel Zahn. So he already has a significant power base to build on.

    • AdmiralSakai says:

      So I’ve been doing some more thinking regarding the actual structure of “Anti-Thief-Of-Virtue” and while I’ve not made*great* progress on advancing the plot structure I think I *have* identified what the current main sticking points of it are.

      I am not, currently, 100% certain what the spirit of Jack Lupus is trying to *accomplish*- or, more accurately, I have a pretty good idea of what he wants to accomplish and he seems to have done basically all of it by the end of the original comic, leaving little place for our story to *go* and very few loose ends to build on. He’s gotten his old rival Dominic Torus disgraced and pushed out of power; Interpol is now under the leadership of Ned and Bubo which I’d imagine is exactly how he wants it; I have no idea of what his true feelings on Dad Cooper actually were but I have *no* problem believing that having Sly groveling at his feet satisfies him in some fucked-up way; all of the shenanigans with the ghosts and temper tantrums at the castle I figure were all to manipulate Drake into shattering the Magical Mystery Crystals and thereby releasing him to exist on his own (and possibly providing enough raw undirected hatred to psychically fuel his doing so, Arpeggio and Neyla having tried a similar scheme to revive Clockwerk at the end of Sly 2); really all that’s left is for him to physically take over Drake’s body and with Drake wandering around soul-searching far away from anyone else I figure that’s only a matter of time at this point.

      Which leaves very little for Torus and Mom Lupus to *do*. There’s little sense of impending threat; Jack’s already *won*. I thought I could have shenanigans with Cesar DeRoque or Interpol or the Cooper Gang cause conflict by throwing a wrench into his plans, but at the moment there’s not a lot left moving to throw a wrench into.

      I suppose there’s some loose ends we could use in the fact that the Cooper Gang *and* Carmelita are obviously still under some form of mind control but I am not 100% sure what Jack stands to gain by having them all working (incompetently) together now that he’s free of the crystals; and also the fact that he seems to have deliberately put Fox Obnoxious in command of Drake’s criminal empire but I am really not sure what he would possibly gain by having an annoying nitwit with no personal connection to himself in such a position.

      But *about* Cesar DeRoque. I know basically where I want to go with this character, but am iffy on the details and how he integrates with the larger plot. I know he gets his company back in fairly short order- possibly because Ned/Bubo fumbled whatever the fuck ‘lawsuits’ originally confiscated it so badly that he was awarded all of his original assets *back* plus damages, or their mismanagement of Interpol’s investigative responsibilities allowed him to get away with massive financial fraud and take his business ventures into entirely new areas. Either way, he’s out for revenge against Zahn, Lady Venom, and possibly Sly and Fox Obnoxious for making a fool of him in front of the world, which would be a good way to show off both how his character should have been run to begin with and also showcase the flaws and inconsistencies in Zahn and Venom. Originally I was thinking that he’d be a recurring secondary threat to Torus & Gang sort of like Interpol is in the original comic (except, you know, done WELL), but now I am thinking he’d be better having meen a low-key element of the world for a while but then only really coming into his own in a mission entirely dedicated to him near the end. I was considering going ahead with Sly-game-style mission cards just to show that we can be better at them than Davidson was and DeRoque’s heist was going to be called “Pay Unto Cesar”, but while certainly better than Davidson’s names that’s kind of a low bar and I’m still not sure if it’s actually *good*.

      I am also not entirely sure what direction to take Cesar as a character or how he actually goes *about* his revenge scheme. I’m having trouble synthesizing two different interpretations of the character, basically. The first is the original idea behind the more ‘hardcore’ Cesar DeRoque- that he’s in fact a very smart, organized, and ruthless businessman with a slick, dispassionate approach to crime; more the Weyland-Yutani or modernized Lex Luthor flavor of evil CEO. The other is more based on the way he is wronged in the comic and some additional backstory I generated for him- that he was always picked on and mocked from a very young age because of his stuffy background (his family were in fact European petty nobility of some kind), lack of social skills, short stature, and speech impediment (the *nyeh* thing his dialogue has) even though he actually did do a lot to turn a relatively small fortune of a few million dollars into a multitrillion-dollar international petroleum concern, and basically did it all because he craved respect and a chance to be taken seriously; now that he’s been humiliated all over again he comes across as much more angry and a little unhinged; one idea I had for the heist involving him was that he has Venom, Zahn, Sly, and Fox Obnoxious kidnapped and left on a decommissioned rig he has sabotaged and caused to slowly sink or catch fire, and there is a speedboat hidden somewhere onboard with room for only one person.

      Either way I think De Roque is actually one of Torus’s best leads or at least best source of inspiration for putting together what Jack actually is trying to do, because his own desire for revenge travels along similar lines to what Jack wanted to do to Torus and possibly Sly and he is smart enough to realize the commonalities. The ‘unhinged’ version of the character would probably only reveal that information unintentionally, but the ‘collected’ version might outright tell Torus what he suspects about Jack’s motivations either as part of a deal to secure his freedom or just because he recognized Jack is a common threat.

      One thing I am concerned about is that much like the original this Sly Cooper comic is shaping up to not have a great deal of Sly Cooper in it. I suppose that could be seen as parodying the trend in the original, but I kind of *want* Sly and the gang to be in this comic to show both what idiots they’ve become under Jack’s influence and how big of a contrast that is with their canon personalities. I am thinking that Murray is the first one to shake off the mind control (with the help of Torus et al?) and helps to bring Bentley around by pointing out that the Bentley *he* knew wouldn’t be making so many dumbass mistakes and failing to analyze the paranormal phenomena he was seeing, and then they both snap Sly and Carmelita out of it. Possibly Torus has Mz. Ruby unmask the ghost of Dad Cooper as just another projection of Jack, or even summon the real Dad Cooper’s spirit for Sly to set the record straight? Either way, still not sure when and where this happens although I’d like a good balance of Actually Badass Cooper Gang leading up to the finale and them utterly botching heists and generally making idiots of themselves in the first part of the story.

      My only concrete lead is in the early part of the story, where I am thinking after Torus meets Mom Lupus their first heist is to steal some kind of records or equipment from Interpol headquarters. This echoes the games where the first tutorial mission in the first game is to steal files on the Fiendish Five from Interpol, and should be easy for Torus and Mom Lupus because Torus still has intimate knowledge of the facility (and Ned, being Ned, did not change the admin passwords or office keycodes or anything… or possibly Bubo had them set to *his* old passwords which Torus also knows).

      I am thinking that the “Torus Gang” needs a dedicated hacker and communications specialist since I don’t think Torus himself has those skills, and it seems the logical place to get such a person would be by recruiting an Interpol sysadmin who is dissatisfied with Ned/Bubo’s management during their heist. The logistics of such a thing might be tricky but I’d kind of like this person to remain in their Interpol position while covertly assisting Torus, at least for a little while, because that would give the viewer an eye into how dysfunctional the agency has become and how much influence Bubo is exerting over Ned.

      The thing is, there really isn’t a character like this in canon, which means they would be an OC and I wanted to avoid spamming those everywhere. However, I think that having one wouldn’t be too bad, ESPECIALLY if they were a snarky riffing computer nerd- basically one character who represents the entirety of the Library of the Damned?

      • StreetsAhead59 says:

        Funny that you wrote all that, especially given what a reactionary Ned subtly reveals himself to be in the short story “The New Director”; Of course he’d be Bubo’s puppet…

        If you haven’t already, you definitely should read it if you can stomach it; I mean Ned’s essentially an Amy Comey Barrett clone despite that Connor wrote the story in 2018. Out of all the short stories, that one aged awfully especially thanks to 2020 since it made it sound like having an blindly obedient originalist leading something like Interpol would be a good thing…

  25. StreetsAhead59 says:

    Soooo…little fun-fact about those two cameos in Ned and Zahn’s scene; they are pretty much there since they belong to the author’s two closest friends.

    The first one, in Ned’s epilogue scene, is named “Renaye”. As far as I know, she was created for no other purpose than to be a love interest for Ned, and doesn’t appear to have much character development or focus. Btw, the one who created this character is the same one who created the blue mountain lion that you mentioned when you were covering pages 136-167

    The “musclefur” in Zahn’s scene, I believe is called “Bonnie Clyde”. There’s a shit-ton of history behind that character since that one was created as far back as 2013 from what I can tell…but aside from that, not much I can say that isn’t already evident.

  26. CrownClam19270 says:

    Want to see something extremely dumb I remember hearing the author say to one of his readers to justify the objectivist narrative in regard to Ice dying? Apparently, she “made the choice” to not listen to Sly…infact, you can read it right here: https://www.deviantart.com/comments/1/655491690/4961898363

    Any Sly-fan with critical thinking skills can immediately contradict Connor’s bullshit with what he revealed and wrote in “Cold, cold heart”; her “choice” was clearly influenced by factors akin to Snow’s that he refused to acknowledge in the same way Torus’ behavior was altered by a crystal. Did he forget that he wrote that side story? Or does Connor not have enough self-awareness to realize that he can’t change the narrative on a whim without retconning and looking like an ass in the process? The OP definitely missed a golden opportunity to roast his ass on his inconsistency if they weren’t busy hating on Torus like the author intended (that people still haven’t caught on to his intent is just…unbelievable)

    Also, those cameos in the epilogue of his two BFFs definitely leave a bad taste given the political ideology the author associates with has shown that its endgame is about invalidating the existence of liberalism and the transgender community (which the creators of Renaye and Bonnie Clyde are apart of respectively, making them tokens that got set up for a major “Farmer and the Viper” scenario since 2016 whether they realized it or not)…I shudder to think about whether or not they still stan for him simply because he’s a “nice guy”, even if he votes for or follows people who’s stances would harm his friends; self-proclaimed moderates tend to advocate for the same exact crap extremists do, but in a soft-spoken tone.

    Sure hope not, for their sakes…If they think he’d ever go out of his way to actually advocate for them in any meaningful way instead of simply “disagreeing” with his party like his avatar Ned in “The New Director” insinuates he would, they’ve got another thing coming. It’s almost hard not to feel bad for them…emphasis on almost.