664: Twin Humanities- Chapter 24

Title: Twin Humanities
Author: max7238
Media: Video Game
Topic:  Dark Souls
Genre: Adventure Romance
URL:  Chapter 24
Critiqued by Erttheking

C:  So just to clarify, we have no idea where the violet ring is.

N:  No, we don’t.  We’re just hunkering down and waiting for the fight to come to us.  I think it’s a good idea.  There’s four of us and one of them.  Five if we can get Ert’s ring to work.

W:  That’s what Goeth is doing right now isn’t he?

C:  Yeah, fingers aren’t crossed on that one.  Anyway, while they do that, lets get back to the review, I want to get this hunk of crap over with.

N:  Last time we left off with the final climatic battle with Artorias about to begin.  That means we’re gonna cut back right to the battle right?

Event 24: True Abysswalker

Save me… he’d said. He looks up to me. He needs me.

She can stand…?! Incredible…!

Even now, I remember… The night he saved me…

Where would I be without her…?

What would I be without him…?

C:…O….k.  That was random.  Who was that little poem about?  What purpose did it serve?  Why is it randomly shoehorned in at the start of a chapter?  Oh I’m sorry, of an event?  Nothing?

N:  Maybe Artorias was quite the poet back in the day.

Artorias had retrieved what rightfully belonged to the Abyss. His mind gone, lost to the will of the Abyss, his body alone rejoiced in its approval. Now it said only to kill the ones in his way. Kill them or die trying. She is unworthy. He is too weak. Neither deserve the mercy of the Abyss it said. So Artorias obeyed.

C:  You know, Artorias’ characterization in the DLC could be summed up as “Roar, smash, roar, smash” just the Abyss controlling him to kill everything he saw with the ferocity of a berserker.  No “rejoicing” in the approval of the Abyss.  Granted Dark Souls always had a minimalistic approach to story telling and a story fleshing out the world could benefit from elaborating on all of this, but Twin Humanities is not a story I would trust to do it.

Compressed, heavy black katana in her right hand for now, Seiko stood on shaking legs. No matter how she called to it, the Abyss would no longer answer. Her strength, normally something she would count on to make up for that fact, was drained by the experience. Seiko wondered what would happen when she tried to raise her sword for battle.

N:  Gee, maybe you shouldn’t have asked for a sword that was so over the top and physically impossible.  Maybe, just maybe, that would’ve helped you out in this situation.

W:  Also, BRSue appears to have had the Abyss sucked out of her.  Thank.  God.  I don’t know a whole lot about this series, but even I can tell that you aren’t supposed to be shooting chains out of your shadow and pumping demons full of energy until they explode.

N:  See?  Even the old lady calls bullshit on this one!  *Smack*  Oh come on it was a joke.

W:  So was that.

But Jinta had finally asked something of her. They both knew they loved each other, even if the cruel world never allowed them time to express or grow the feeling. But this was something different. To Seiko, even more important. Before, she’d helped out of a sense of obligation, which she regretted. Not now. Jinta had asked something of her. Pleaded. Begged. It meant fighting her father, or what was left of him; a legendary warrior empowered by the Abyss she’d once commanded. She’d fought Lords alone and beside Jinta. She’d fought Black Knights. Only her near-death in New Londo had truly scared her before now. Her legs shook with exhaustion… And fear. But they held. As long as she drew breath, and as long as she could stand, Seiko had every intention on doing exactly what Jinta had asked. It was now or never, with one Humanity between them…

C:  Oh dear, someone let the narrative off the leash again.  It’s running around in circles pretending to be deep when in reality it’s just being a blabbermouth.

W:  That’s this thing that Jinta asked of her that was so damn important anyway?  What?  Him begging her to get up because he couldn’t do anything without her except for everything he did before he met her which would be the majority of his life?  Because if so, that’s not really something to ask.

If not for Jinta’s helmet, he felt as if he’d shame himself. No one could see his expressions. No one knew the fear he felt. He’d come very far, especially for just being an ordinary human. He’d walked beside legends, defeated nightmares, and seen the face of Gwyn himself. But he knew. Inside he knew. In the beginning it had been his hard work, in the middle it had been the help of Solaire, and as his journey of Chosen ended it had been the help of Seiko. All else aside, just his time with Seiko had been more incredible than all the rest. With her by his side even failure had just been temporary. Every crushing defeat before meeting her had been mindless. Meaningless. He’d pressed on solely because he’d believed himself to be righteous. Funny that he’d only just now asked Seiko to save him; she’d already done that.  He didn’t fight and bleed and die to be “righteous” anymore, whether he was or not… He took the hits, he pressed on now, because the two people responsible for his successes needed him.

N:  *Sigh* Author, seriously, we need to talk.  You are out of control with the rambling narratives, you are supposed to talk about the here and now in stories, or about subject matters closely related to the here and now.  Jinta has been in this story for a damn long time and towards the end like this, after the massive battle with Gwyn, is NOT the time for you to start recounting his back story!  It’s awkward, out of place, and its breaking the classic rule of telling instead of showing.  You are telling us so much about how deep their relationship is, how BRSue “Saved” Jinta, despite the fact that she’s pretty much done jack.  And when exactly did Jinta get over his Lawful Stupid tendencies?  I have to say I really don’t remember that scene, I’m guessing that’s because it never happened.

W:  Also, keep your damn ellipses out of the narrative.

Solaire, in a dying wish, entrusted him,him, to end the cycle of death. Seiko, a walking, breathing, daughter of legends and maker of her own legends, clung to him as if he were a pillar in a raging storm at sea. Just by his words she now stood. After that. It sickened Jinta to his core, how pathetic he was. Others may say he was pathetic for asking a woman for help.

C:  Oh, what the fuck is this!?  He’s pathetic because he isn’t a super special awesome sue and he would be considered pathetic for asking a woman for help?  The Hell is this horsecrap?

To Jinta, it didn’t matter that she was a woman in that any woman could be just as great as any man. What killed Jinta, what twisted his guts into knots, was that he’d been forced to beg her for help in her current state… All but forced her to grit her teeth and fight for him. It was wretched in his eyes. Mortifying. And, if it meant losing everything, deep down he vowed to make it up to her… Somehow…

N:  Oh, but it’s ok because he doesn’t think like that…author…if Jinta didn’t think like that…why the fuck did you even bring it up in the first place.

C:  Maybe it’s because he’s trying to show what a great boyfriend Jinta is by thinking that women can fight just as well as men.  If that’s the case, have a cookie Jinta

W:  Also, basically he’s upset because he has to ask for help…oh what a shame.  You need help in Dark Souls, what a tragic concept.  Jinta, get off your high horse, stop dressing up what’s going on as being more than it is.

C:  Also, pray tell me, what happens if you lose?  You will die and come back to life, OH NOEZ!  That’s like…what happens in everyone in Dark Souls and you two have been spoiled on!

“Seiko,” said Jinta, his voice flat with shame. “If you can give me time to use Soothing Sunlight, I can give you a chance to win… It’s only a few seconds.”

Still shaking, Seiko nodded. It was a plan, which they needed.

Jinta said no more, already starting his prayer. In the same moment, Artorias leapt into the air, Abyss billowing around him. In an instant, the Abyss shot Artorias forward, allowing him to cover the distance of the entire coliseum in the blink of an eye. Seiko dove left to avoid it, rolling smoothly but struggling to get up completely.

N:  Maybe instead of giving a detailed explanation of what you were going to do, you should’ve just gone and done it Jinta.

C:  Man, it really would’ve helped BRSue if she had another way to heal herself.  Like a flask containing a liquid that restores health when drunk.

C:  Sadly, no such magic exists in Dark Souls apparently.

She stood between Artorias and Jinta. Jinta could move, but he had to focus on speaking, and was supposed to think of nothing else but his prayer for the best effect.

W:…Author admit it, you’re making up the rules to your version of Dark Souls as you go aren’t you?

C:  Seriously, this has no precedent.  And for the record, miracles in Dark Souls tend to be very silent, makes you wonder why BRSue isn’t a pro at them.

Artorias wasn’t having it, turning and jumping again, this time in a tight flip that brought all of his weight down with his heavy sword. If Seiko blocked, she’d be crushed. If she dodged, Jinta would be crushed.

N:  Yes!  She is so strong she’s apparently on par with Smough the Executioner but she can’t block an attack from Artorias because…lazy writing says so.

So she did neither. Mimicking Jinta’s blind bravery moments before, Seiko ran forward, too close for the greatsword to hit, and jumped. With her katana pointed up, Seiko used the weight of Artorias’ own attack to stab through his left shoulder. The attack spun Artorias, causing him to land on his right shoulder and miss Jinta. Seiko landed behind Artorias, going to her right knee to absorb the fall. She switched her sword to her left hand, using her right to push on her knee to force herself up. Jinta should almost be done, so she turned to run for him, but the same right knee gave out and she stumbled. Artorias was up and Jinta was running, still trying not to miss a single word or stutter or breath in the middle of a verse. Artorias swung, Jinta ducked… And slammed his palm on Seiko’s head, grabbing it.

“… by holy Soothing Sunlight!” finished Jinta, his entire body tense and ready to be cut down. His job was done. He’d reached her in time. Even if Artorias killed him now, Jinta believed Seiko would find a way to win. He let go of Seiko’s head, noting, somewhere in the back of his mortally terrified mind, how beautiful her hair was.

C:  You know, for a miracle that was only supposed to take a few seconds, that sure felt like it took awhile.  Also buddy, this is frakking Artorias of the Abyss, there is a chance that she might lose, she lost to the Sanctuary Guardian on her first try in the story’s first real Dark Souls moment.  Secondly, maybe you should actually to TRY to help her before you lay down and accept your death.  That kind of “there’s no point in trying” attitude is what leads to the birth of Hollows.

For Seiko, it was like her first breath in several minutes. She could move. She had command of her body and her strength… And her Pyromancy.

W:  Uh, did she ever lose control of it?

N:  Apparently she did, would’ve been nice to have been informed about that, but then we would’ve had to interrupt this story’s fifth daily naval gazing session.

She began to stand, moving passed Jinta by less than a centimeter and slashing up and left to deflect Artorias’ sword just in time. Sparks flew as the two near-indestructible blades glanced off each other, Seiko’s going up over Jinta’s head, Artorias’ slamming into the brick floor to her right. With her free right hand, Seiko thrust her palm forward, loosing a gout of Fire Surge. Artorias stumbled back a step, taken off-guard by his future daughter’s blue flames.

C:  Oh, Jinta didn’t die.  Well that’s a pity, it would’ve been like Dark Souls if that had happened, but I think its been established that we aren’t here to witness the desperate attempts of an unlikely hero struggling against a cruel and uncaring world.  We’re supposed to point and gawk at how awesome these two are and talk about their twe wuv, because it’s so special that it doesn’t need proper depth.

“Move,” commanded Seiko, her voice full of her willpower. Jinta, still shocked he was alive, was only able to react by turning around. When he saw and understood how Seiko had deflected the blow that should have killed him, Jinta took a step back. His prayer had affected him as well, but his mind and heart were still broken.

W:  Dear Lord in heaven, will you just grow up already?  And what did you see that caused you to understand how you were still alive?

Artorias flailed his empty armored left hand, spewing an odd, Abyss corrupted goo. Seiko, still far more focused than Jinta, kicked her left foot back, hitting Jinta in the chest. Jinta flew onto his back, out of range of the goo, leaving Seiko to roll to the right in an odd manner, her leg still sticking out. It took discipline and focus to not gut herself with her own sword in the process.

N:  Anyone else notice that BRSue seems to be beating the shit out of Jinta a lot in the past few updates?  A love that will surpass the ages ladies and gents.

C:  Also, what’s this about her rolling with her leg sticking out?  That’s just…does that even work?

Coming out of the roll, Seiko crossed her left arm over her body, her katana pointed down, to block Artorias’ next swing. Meant to catch her off-guard, the swing was back-handed. Greatsword master that he was, Artorias had twisted his hips and back perfectly to give the attack all the force possible. Seiko was sent into the air, but she was able to land on her feet, her boots skidding over the stone brick floor. Now Jinta was the closest target, so Artorias took a step forward to get in range and swung overhead. It was a perfectly flowing move from his last attack. Jinta, still holding his talisman, cast Force to block. It was weak, a sign of his faith wavering and his focus being shot.

W:  Author.  We.  Get.  It.  Jinta is a whiny little shit who’s having a full blown emotional melt down because he needs help from his super special awesome girlfriend.

C:  How the Hell did this guy make it this far without going Hollow?  Someone like this would’ve given up in three seconds.

Still, it was enough to stop Artorias’ blow. In the meantime, Seiko ran back within range and slashed at Artorias’ exposed ribs. She passed from Artorias’ right to his left, cutting across his armor just under his breast. Spinning, Seiko slashed again, cutting into Artorias’ limp arm. His armor, once as unbreakable as his sword, parted, sheering off the empty arm. The moment his armor hit the bricks, it crumpled like a tin can until only a purplish crushed ball was left. The crushing Abyss forgave nothing.

N:  Congratulations, you cut off his bad arm, I’m sure that’ll be so helpful.   Also, why the Hell are you spinning?  So much for no insane attacks huh BRSue?

(Mary Sue Counter: 66)

Artorias, stunned more than wounded, simply looked at her. Seiko took it as an opportunity, stepping forward for another slash. She stopped and jumped back when she saw the Abyss rising around Artorias, right up out of the bricks. The legendary knight issued another agonized moan and pulling even more Abyss into his body. On the outside, it looked as if Artorias were using the Abyss to strengthen himself. But within, Artorias already had the strength to end the fight. It wasn’t about more power, it was about the Abyss further corrupting and controlling him. The knight himself didn’t want to fight. Didn’t want to kill an innocent. But the Abyss was another story. It had joined with the Abyss inside Seiko, and it knew everything about her. But now, so did Artorias. He could see her trying to plan. As a great warrior, he knew when he outmatched an opponent. Now he was being forced to watch as his body attempted the murder of his own daughter… Ciaran had never told him. Maybe never had the chance… As more of his ability to resist faded, Artorias did all he could to reign back his power. Pulled every blow he could, even just a little. Anything to let himself be stopped. Even at the hand of his future daughter.

W:  *SLAM*  Jesus, we’re gonna be killed by one of those walls someday.  Author, I’m not joking, you really need to cut it out with this.  Stop bringing the actions to a grinding halt so that you can shove more information down our throats.  The middle of a fight scene is no place for exposition, especially if its exposition that comes right the hell out of nowhere and doesn’t make a whole lot of sense considering the circumstances.  We’re following BRSue and Jinta, why are we having things explained to us that they don’t know?

How can they fight this way…? thought Jinta. He was useless, watching and avoiding Artorias. Why wasn’t he distracting the enemy? Or even fighting?!

C:  Because he’s too busy being a whiny prat.

Jinta watched as Seiko closed in, traded blows with Artorias, then escaped before Artorias could corrupt her. Seiko never blocked; it was useless to try. She always deflected or dodged Artorias’ attacks, her own undeveloped strength no match for her battle-hardened father. Any other sword would have broken long ago, but Seiko’s black sword, compressed from two Black Knight Greatswords, was one to rival the Greatsword of Artorias.

N:  And remember, she couldn’t use the great swords because they were big, and that’s a deal breaker apparently.

Jinta realized two things as the sparks flew and bricks shattered.

W:  Oh goody, this should be fun.

First, Seiko had been stronger once, before she’d gone Hollow. It was so obvious to him now, as he watched Artorias, that he felt dumb for not noticing before.

C:…How?  How do you know that?  No seriously, I want you to explain to me, in detail, how that makes any sort of fucking sense whatsoever.  She used to be stronger…because her Dad is strong?  Are you even trying?

 Second, a revelation crashed over him like the Abyss itself. Seiko hadn’t given up. She wasn’t even nervous anymore. Her blue eyes glowed with the same silent certainty they always had. Even when she’d just lost a large part of what had made her so strong, Seiko didn’t show a single sign of backing down. In fact, she was more aggressive than Artorias!

N:  Ok.  And?

How? What within her allows her to be so…

Then it hit him. So simple and so cliché, if he weren’t standing in a battle ground he might have even laughed. It was him. Jinta himself was what drove her ever onward. Ever higher. Simply by being with her, needing her help, Jinta had pushed her further than anything else before. In the beginning, she’d chased him to move forward. When she’d caught up she’d practically dragged him by the hand through every trial afterward. Now here they were again, Jinta needing Seiko’s help, and Seiko rising to the challenge. It was him. And if he could fuel her willpower so strongly, why couldn’t she do the same to him…?

N:  Agh!  You know, I’m actually in a fairly complicated relationship and I have to say all of this makes me want to puke up a rainbow.  First of all, how about you follow the ancient rule, don’t TELL us how his presence is causing her to not give up, SHOW us, and while you’re at it EXPLAIN it in a more detailed way than “it just is.”  I’m getting really sick of how you feel the urge to spell out every last little thing for us.

Seiko could feel it. There was music in this fight. Every clang of metal, footfall, rush of air behind steel, and shattering brick had a place. Even the bare seconds between each clash fell like beats of rest. No Abyss, not much time for Pyromancy, Seiko fought with her agility and skill alone. It was impossible to match her father’s strength, and she could no longer expect to be immune to the Abyss, so she finally had nothing left to her but what she’d been born with. She could match Artorias this way, but if the fight carried on as it was, Seiko would eventually lose. It came down to stamina, and Seiko couldn’t match the endless power of the Abyss that controlled Artorias. Even as Seiko realized this, the record scratched in its player. The music of battle ground to a halt.

W:  BRSue, please explain something to me.  What skill?  Exactly what skill do you posses?  You have no skill whatsoever, you’ve gotten through all of your problems by charging blindly at them and just brute forcing your way through it when things aren’t getting directly handed to you on a silver platter.  So, again, what skill could you possibly have that’s helping you right now?

“Move!” commanded Jinta.

Jinta leapt from behind Artorias, just as he’d done to Gwyn, and stabbed down into both of Artorias’ shoulders. Not nearly as stable as Gwyn had been, Artorias went down to one knee. Seiko barely stopped her current attack in time to avoid beheading Jinta.

C:  Has anyone ever noticed that the coordination between these two…sucks?  If BRSue isn’t knocking Jinta on his ass because she refuses to talk to him, he jumps right into the middle of a fight without thinking about it and nearly gets his head cut off.  Is there anyone in this world who can actually think!?

Letting go of his swords, Jinta put both hands on his talisman and pressed it to the back of Artorias’ head. Seiko jumped back, hearing Jinta rattling off the entire verse for Wrath of The Gods in the seconds between his command and pinning Artorias. Her memories flashed, only for an instant, on when Jinta had saved her in the Duke’s Archives.

“…by The Wrath Of The Gods!” stated Jinta, as if ending a powerful sermon.

White light and black Abyss smoke exploded from the spot. After the initial ringing in Seiko’s ears from the overpressure, she could hear Artorias roaring in pain. Jinta planted his feet and yanked his holy swords out of Artorias, hopping back.

“Together,” agreed Jinta, at last.

Seiko couldn’t help but smile her confidence.

N:  Pinning Artorias?  You know, call me crazy, but considering that Artorias is around eight to ten feet tall, I don’t think that Jinta could really pin him.

(Gary Stu Counter: 13)

C:  Wait, is that another-oh crap GET DOWN!

Every witness to the fight could tell instantly, Jinta had changed. For Seiko, who’d seen him change before, it was even more obvious. For someone so dextrous, Seiko had always wondered what would happen if Jinta had to fight someone without using a shield. For a few seconds, she stood and watched, understood, and was impressed by what she saw. With Artorias’ weapon, even with all his strength, he could only swing a limited number of ways, and had to telegraph every motion to do it. Jinta saw every single attack coming now that he was focused. Just like when Seiko had seen him fight a Black Knight in the dark, she could see the white streaks of energy from every slash Jinta made. A spinning dodge here, a duck and flip there, always attacking as he moved and always one step ahead of his slow opponent, Jinta exuded determination. He’d never been self-confident, or physically strong compared to Seiko, but he had something Seiko didn’t have.

He’d never told Seiko how he’d recovered from being Hollow. He assumed it was unimpressive and uneventful. It had been a decision. Not a normal one, of course. His broken spirit and sanity had one day come together and simply began again. As if his being had decided it was time for change. Time to do something. And here, again, Jinta had that same feeling. It was time for a change. Time to do something. He’d had enough of relying on Seiko’s help. Had enough of being dragged along by “fate” and the decisions of others. He’d decided to fight, come death or corruption, and that’s exactly what he was going to do.

W:  Gah!  What is with those massive walls of text!?  Where to start with this one.  Ah, how about this.  Witness to the event?  What witnesses would those happen to be?  Did the Marvelous Chester sneak in and is now watching the fight?  And I’m glad to see that Jinta got over his horribly contrived “Crawling in my Skin” session and that now he is…changed…by…things.

N:  Also, Hollowing is the most brittle process in this world.  It got reversed and he recovered his sanity because…it just happened.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  Hollowing, can NOT, be reversed.

(Gary Stu Counter: 14)

C:  And for the third time.  SHOW DON’T TELL!

“Block!” ordered Jinta.

Without question, Seiko pointed her katana at the ground and swung it up and to the left, like a windmill’s arm. Perfectly, she deflected Artorias’ current attack, giving Jinta time to make several slashes while spinning around the Abysswalker. Surrounded again, Artorias spun to take advantage of his deflected blow, aiming to cut both of his enemies in half at the waist. Seiko ducked and Jinta jumped, both turning their motion into an attack. Both slashes were upward, nearly unbalancing Artorias. Before they could strike again, Artorias’ body called even more Abyss to it. The Abyss was growing furious with Artorias’ ability to resist.

W:  What ability to resist?  What the Hell are you even talking about?

“When it’s clear, Acid Surge!” yelled Jinta, over the tumult. Seiko saw him holding his talisman, and soon saw a barrier around him. She knew what he planned to do by that, so she complied, inhaling deeply. The very second Artorias dropped the Abyss, Seiko breathed the acid out, almost completely obscuring Artorias from her sight. She couldn’t see Jinta either, until streaks of white light appeared over and over inside the rust red cloud. She could hear Jinta hollaring in rage and effort, and saw Artorias’ greatsword appear on the edges of the cloud several times. All at once, the strategy ended, Jinta leaping out of the cloud after slashing at Artorias once more. Seiko saw his barrier fade almost the instant he stood by her. Artorias rushed out of the cloud, faster than before, spinning and holding the greatsword out. From above he looked like a pinwheel, and his boots forced sparks from the bricks underfoot. Jinta jumped back and Seiko ducked again. When Artorias stopped spinning, after two rotations, Seiko slashed at his sword arm, near the shoulder. Abyss smoke escaped the gap and his arm went limp. He still gripped the sword, but now he could only flail it with his weight.

C:  Wait, Jinta can create a barrier?  Has he ever done this before?  I certainly don’t remember any instances of him creating barriers, and if he could have he really should’ve.  There are more than a few instances, including that bit where he got emo and nearly decapitated, where such an ability could’ve come in handy.  And just like that, the two of them have ruined Artorias’ remaining good arm with barely taking a scratch.

(Gary Stu Counter: 15)

(Mary Sue Counter: 67)

Can you use Power Within?” asked Jinta, a bit further back than Seiko. She dodged Artorias’ next attack and gave a thumbs up with her free right hand. She tossed her katana from her left hand back to her right, where it had began the fight.

“You?” asked Seiko.

“I’ve got a plan,” said Jinta, “But I’ll need time again.”

Seiko didn’t answer. She didn’t even need to look back. Jinta was good at finding the right strategy to end a fight, and she trusted him.

N:  He can?  Because this is news to me.  Author, stop pulling character traits out of thin air and slapping them onto characters with the ancient technique of TELLING INSTEAD OF SHOWING!

Artorias, stepping forward to shift his weight properly, slashed upward with his limp greatsword, stepping forward again to force it down as he bent his back. Seiko side-stepped the upward slash, then tried to block the downward slash by putting her katana over her head. She assumed it would only be the falling weight of the greatsword. Her mistake pushed her to her left knee to absorb the intense blow. Artorias wasn’t such an amateur; he’d used his steps and the muscles of his back to add force to his swing and it was almost as strong as when he’d had use of his arm. But that moment gave Seiko her opportunity. She let her blue flames blossom in her left hand and pressed the hand to her chest, letting Power Within take hold. Almost instantly, she could stand, pushing Artorias’ sword to her right with her katana. It forced Artorias’ arm to cross over his body, normally making it useless to attack. But, again, Artorias showed his prowess, stepping to his left and twisting his hips and shoulders to swing the sword back-handed and attempt to chop Seiko in her ribs. Seiko jumped, threw her sword in the air, and blinded Artorias by taking off her coat and throwing it at his face. She hit the ground, caught her katana, and jumped forward. Using the ground-breaking force of her jump, Seiko kicked Artorias in the head. Artorias flew back, hitting the floor on his back and bouncing. The knight gained his feet as Seiko’s coat fluttered to the ground between them.

C:  You know, this is very stupid.  Not only am I rather underwhelmed by Artorias being blinded by a simple cloak, but how come she chose to kick him instead of just stabbing him?  A think a sword thrust through the chest would do more to make him go down and stay down dearie.

In that exchange, Jinta had knelt with his talisman, praying aloud to a new source.

“Solaire…? I know you can hear me… You’ve taken Gwyn’s place. You were his son. I’m sure you’re the Lord of Sunlight now. You found the sun you always searched for… Well, you asked me to end the cycle of death, and here I am, hunting down a way. Time is convoluted. If it’s in your power… Lend me your strength! We can’t win without it!”

A few seconds of silence for Jinta, the same seconds that Seiko blinded and kicked Artorias. Then, an answer Jinta did not expect. His falchion glowed in its sheath, so he drew it. The blade was golden, glowing like the afternoon sun.

“Sunlight Blade?!” said Jinta, having expected another barrier or some bodily aid.

“If this is what you think I need…” said Jinta, speaking to the nonexistent Solaire again.

Jinta rose from his kneeling position, putting both hands on his sword and rushing forward.

N:…*Sigh*.  So now we’re moving on to Dues Ex Machina.  Possibly a quite literal Dues Ex Machina.

C:  Look, I like Solaire as much as the next guy, but he can’t just give random blessings to power up swords like that.  Not only is there no precedent for him having this power, he really isn’t in a position to be doing this anyway.  He isn’t really taking the position of Gwyn, he’s more being used as kindling so that the First Flame can continue allowing his brother Gwyndolin-oh right I’m sorry that’s too canon for this story.  This story is about some convoluted thing with time standing still and it continuing until Gwyn can be replaced.  Silly me.

(Gary Stu Counter: 16)

W:  So after that, Jinta tells BRSue to charge in and knock Artorias off balance before backing off and letting go of Power Within.  Because if she doesn’t, BRSue thinks it will knock her out.

N:  You know, instead of kill her like it’s supposed to.

Seiko heard him, but didn’t show recognition. She just charged Knight Artorias, swapping her sword to her left hand in preparation. Artorias, just as she thought, went for the powerful swing across his hips, slashing for Seiko’s left side. Seiko blocked with her katana, her blade and arm shivering from the force and a loud ringing issued forth. Skidding to a stop right in Artorias’ face, Seiko palmed a blue fireball in her right hand and threw it like a professional baseball player, beaning the Abysswalker right in the face

C:  Once again, the use of modern terminology in a medieval era game.  Don’t you just love this?  I don’t know why Tolken didn’t say that Aaragon’s sword blows hit like a runaway ice-cream truck, it would’ve been so elegant.

The fireball exploded and Artorias stumbled back. With no way to counter, he was open if only Seiko was in a position to hit him. But just because she wasn’t, didn’t mean he got off easy. Jinta reached the scene at exactly the right time, stabbing Artorias in the gut with his falchion, Sunlight Blade sending lightning through Artorias’ entire body. Golden light flooded out of every gap in Artorias’ tainted armor, and a different, inhuman scream echoed from his helmet. Jinta put a foot on Artorias’ chest and pulled his falchion out, then proceeded to slash the knight over and over, taking every second he had to inflict maximum damage. Behind him, Seiko had released Power Within and was struggling to stand. Her body felt like it was being eaten from the inside out, lactic acid and latent heat forcing her ability to fight right out of her body. All she could do was watch as Jinta put Sunlight Blade to the best use possible.

N:  Huh.  Power Within is actually hurting her and impairing her ability to fight.  I’m genuinely surprised.  Not very impressed though, she only lost her fighting edge after Jinta started tearing Artorias to shreds.

When Artorias finally managed to struggle out a flailing attack, Jinta was too fast to catch, jumping back and running around Artorias’ left side, slashing all the way. Now behind Artorias, close to the coliseum wall, Jinta jumped toward the wall. Pushing off deftly, Jinta flipped back toward Artorias, slashing left to right at Artorias’ neck. His lightning-filled blade passed right through Artorias’ weakened armor and he landed on a knee in front of Artorias. Behind him, the once-proud Abysswalker went to his knees, the tip of his sword being forced into the bricks to support him on weight alone…

C:  Uh, Jinta, would you mind not showing off like a complete and utter prick?  Backflips are not exactly something you should be doing in the middle of a pitched battle with a corrupted knight, especially one as powerful as Artorias.  Not that you’d know from this chapter, because, once again, Jinta and BRSue beat a boss on their first time instead of having to go back and try again like you’re SUPPOSED TO in Dark Souls!

For a moment, nothing happened. Jinta’s falchion returned to normal, forcing him to wonder what he could do next if Artorias survived. His worry was for nothing, however, as the sound of a section of Artorias’ armor denting in creaked out. Another section, then another was crushed into Artorias’ body by the force of the Abyss he could no longer withstand. Both Jinta and Seiko couldn’t believe what they heard next…

“Thank… You…” came a breath on the wind, from behind Jinta. Artorias’ armor consumed him, crushing everything within to nothing but a corrupted ball of useless metal. His sword remained where it had been forced into the floor, also corrupted heavily. Jinta and Seiko both fell to the floor where they stood, exhausted…

N:  And with that, this chapter is over…this was one of the worst ones so far.  Granted there’s some quality writing in the fight itself, but the overall direction was awful.  This was Artorias, Artorias the goddamn Abyss Walker.  He is supposed to be one of the toughest boss fights in the game, and the two of them just walked all over him.  Oh yeah the chapter tried to dress up their situation, make it seem worse than it really was, but lets be honest, the set backs these two suffered were minor at best.  It is everything that is wrong with this story.

C:  In fact this chapter is a good summary for the story’s flaws.  False drama, making it look like the heroes are having it tough when in reality they’re curb stomping everyone, the narrative spiraling out of control and in random directions, making things up as they go along, ass pulls from hell, and over reliance on a bland underdeveloped relationship.  All we need is BRSue being worried about her feet getting wet, reminding us she doesn’t like to talk, and a few anime girls and everything would be complete.

W:  And there’s still more to go?  Exactly what is there left to talk about?  Ugh, I don’t even want to know.  I’m lost enough as it is.  See you next time folks.


83 Comments on “664: Twin Humanities- Chapter 24”

  1. Herr Wozzeck says:

    Thank. God. I don’t know a whole lot about this series, but even I can tell that you aren’t supposed to be shooting chains out of your shadow and pumping demons full of energy until they explode.

    Well, in the OVA, the fights are basically your standard over-the-top magical girl fights. There is a character that flings chains around to attack the Black Rock Shooter, but she would’ve been in the anime girl brigade that left the fic a few chapters ago. And, you know, she also uses the chains to bind the Black Rock Shooter at one point.

    Also (and I think I might’ve mentioned this already, but it bears repeating again), the 8-episode anime has a fight scene where one of the characters shoots macarons at the Black Rock Shooter. Yes, macarons. As in the dessert item.

    It would be in canon for BRS. In Dark Souls, though…

    And that’s one of the reasons why this crossover doesn’t work.

  2. Herr Wozzeck says:

    They both knew they loved each other, even if the cruel world never allowed them time to express or grow the feeling.

    *snerk*

    The “cruel world” that they’ve been bulldozing over during practically every scene never allowed them time to express or grow their feelings?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

    *beats his knee*

    That may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing I’ve read all year…

  3. Herr Wozzeck says:

    With her by his side even failure had just been temporary.

    As the Nostalgia Critic would say:

    Understatement of the FUCKING millennium!

  4. Herr Wozzeck says:

    He took the hits, he pressed on now, because the two people responsible for his successes needed him.

    And by now, I’m asking this:

    “I’m sorry, what’s supposed to be happening right now?”

  5. Herr Wozzeck says:

    Others may say he was pathetic for asking a woman for help.

    *headdesk*

    First it was Siegmeyer, now it’s Jinta? What the fuck is it with the guys in this fic feeling it ludicrous to ask a woman for help!?

    *headdesk*

    Jeez, I’m now starting to think that this author has “latent sexism” as one of his issues, among the whole issue where a certain Monty Python clip needs to be flashed in front of his face.

    • erttheking says:

      Oh no no no, you see Jinta is ok with asking a woman for help! Yeah, because that needed to be fucking clarified.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        It doesn’t stop the fact that the thought came to his mind in the first place. I used “latent” for a reason, don’t you know.

      • TacoMagic says:

        It also comes right the hell out of nowhere, too. Despite all the writing issues, the two have been adventuring for quite a while together (or at least, it feels like a long time… how many years have we been subjected to this thing, again?). You can’t say much about Sieko, but she does pull her weight in the group. Asking for her help out in the fight would have surprised absolutely nobody, so why even bother dwelling on her being female?

        It really reads like the author just said, “I’m not sexist, but…”

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        The really ironic thing was that, when I called this author out for writing a sexist Siegmeyer, he got all huffy and puffy at me about why I was being an idiot and how Siegmeyer wasn’t sexist just because he happened to rescue Seiko once or twice. I never actually said how he was sexist, but the fact that he doesn’t see how the implication of “oh, these guys are losing man points by asking a woman for help” is sexist is kinda… Yeah.

        At least it’s not out in the open like FAW’s sexism. If that was the case, I’d just give up on this fic entirely…

      • TacoMagic says:

        I believe the term here is “Casual Sexism.” The idea that certain sexual roles are just the way things are, and that expectations relating to those roles are universally accepted as truth.

        Now if you’ll all excuse me, I have a scarf to knit.

  6. Herr Wozzeck says:

    “Seiko,” said Jinta, his voice flat with shame. “If you can give me time to use Soothing Sunlight, I can give you a chance to win… It’s only a few seconds.”

    Ugh, finally, it got to the point again! Now watch, it’s going to get off track in a couple more paragraphs…

    *fight scene commences*

    Oh. Well, it’s a boringly written fight scene, but what the fuck, it’s still on topic.

  7. Herr Wozzeck says:

    She began to stand, moving passed Jinta

    *twitch*

    *twitch*

    That’s not the form of that word you’re looking for, author.

  8. Herr Wozzeck says:

    How the Hell did this guy make it this far without going Hollow?

    Well, really guys, let’s face it: this whole bout of “character development” for Jinta was pulled out of the story’s ass at this particular moment because he realized “oh shit, I haven’t actually developed any characters here, I better fix that, herp a derp derp deeeeeeeeeeeerp“.

    • TacoMagic says:

      Well, at least he didn’t decide to do it with a character biography list.

      • erttheking says:

        Funnily enough I actually made a character list for my current story, mainly because one of the readers asked because he was having a hard time keeping up with which character was who. It wasn’t really about giving them character, it was more about “This person is this guy, remember him?” and a fun bit of trivia I made up for them.

        • TacoMagic says:

          Um… yeah, you may find my rant about character lists tomorrow a bit demoralizing in that respect then. You may want to skip it.

        • erttheking says:

          Oh…ok then. Yeah, I feel like sometimes you guys would want to strangle me with some of the things I do in my writing.

        • TacoMagic says:

          Meh, mistakes are fine, as long as one is receptive as to why it’s a mistake.

          Character lists are almost always a mistake, and people clamoring for one is usually an indication of a problem with the writing.

          The only time they’re really not a mistake is in a situation where releases are far apart and people need their memories jogged. Now, the releases being far apart is its own little problem, but it’s far more noble than the other reasons to make a character list. And character lists should never be used to give the audience information about the characters. Period.

      • erttheking says:

        Granted I made it around a year ago and then just left it there, the only reason I haven’t deleted it yet is because i was an idiot and put it in the middle of my story and I don’t want to mess up what reviews are assigned to what chapter. Yeah, looking back I kinda wish I hadn’t. And while there was information given, it was completely unimportant triva that I didn’t reference within the story itself in anyway. So learn and move on would you say?

        • TacoMagic says:

          Writing is an iterative process. If you’re learned something, then the experience was worthwhile.

          I’ve done character lists myself, including ones with exposition-based biographies. Looking back, not a single one of them was a good idea, and the expositive ones were a worse idea than the others.

        • erttheking says:

          True. I think I’m honestly the youngest (Or at least one of the youngest) member of the Library, only twenty, and a good deal of my fan writing is semi-self taught. I’ve been getting a lot better but I feel like I could always stand to learn more. I feel like hanging around the Library has helped a lot.

      • TacoMagic says:

        Oh gods, I just remembered the story I started with a timelined history of the world it was set in. Reads like a friggin’ Tolkien prologue.

        LOOK, I GIVE YOU INFORMATION! AHAHAHAHAHA! WHO NEEDS PLOT!?

        • erttheking says:

          Oh….dear. Is now a bad time to mention my recent story started with a timeline showing the development of the Fallout world into the Mass Effect world?

        • TacoMagic says:

          Probably, yeah. Tolkien was able to get away with it because of the novelty (and the fact that the prologue was omitted from from the first printing).

          In practice, it’s better to write those notes for yourself and just find a way to work any of the pertinent information from that timeline into the story. You’d be surprised at how much of that information is actually not all that important from a plot perspective.

          For instance, in my little pile of shame, I talk about a moon colony that, while crucially important to the history of the planet and setting up what was going on in the story, had absolutely no bearing on the actual present events of the story. Never even came up in casual conversation between the characters; most of them wouldn’t have even known of the events anyway.

          It’s the real crappy thing about all the notes you write during world building. 90% of it is stuff the audience will never see and is just there too keep things logical.

          It’s a little different if you’re trying to share the world. That kind of world building information is critically important to anyone else who wants to write something within that world. But really, that’s where having that information as a stand-alone codex would be less intrusive. Videogames get a bit of an out on this one with their codices since they’re optional information that really isn’t critical to the plot. In that respect, the codex acts like a body of literature separable from the game itself. But imagine what Mass Effect would have been like if every time you unlocked a codex entry, the game stopped and made you read it. Or, at the start of the game, you had to spend the first hour of the game sitting through a history lesson of the citadel. It really would have screwed up the voice of the game. The sense of discovery as you figure out the way the world you’re in works would have been thwarted. Now imagine if every game laid out the history before you started playing. What would Bioshock have been like if the downfall of Rapture had been explained in detail before you started?

          It’s also different in cross-over fics too. People who read cross-overs often scrutinize the marriage of the two canons, so having that information available can help people know where you’re coming from. It’s harder to say what is kosher here, but I’d usually prefer to have that information as its own contained source.

        • TacoMagic says:

          Also, you do get a bit of an out here because the Fallout games traditionally start with a quick cliff-notes synopsis of what’s going on.

          If you mimicked the “War, war never changes” introduction, then it’s good. That’s actually a decent expositive device on the part of the Fallout games because it’s more narrative than exhaustive. Gives you just enough information to get into the plot without spoon-feeding you the entire history.

          For comparison: the longest of the “War never changes” introductions is about 300 words split into five paragraphs. Short, to the point, and a good hook. My timelime introduction was 5400 words. Yeah, not the same creature at all.

          EDIT: THRILL AS MY COMMENTS APPEAR IN RANDOM ORDER!

      • TacoMagic says:

        I should note here the seperation I’m making between PUBLISHED character lists and timelines vs. the notes you make.

        You should have notes. Lots of notes. Reams and reams of notes. If you’re wondering if you’ve made enough notes, NO YOU HAVEN’T! MAKE MORE!

        Any body of writing absolutely needs a concise character list as well as full biographies for all the important characters. A coherent and exhaustive time-line is also a must. But they should stay in the notes.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        *shudder*

        Oh God, that’s true…

      • erttheking says:

        Well it wasn’t anywhere near a 5400 word prologue, but I recall it being at least a thousand words. I did semi-do the “war never changes” thing, inter splicing the Fallout narrator with timeline posts. Granted there’s one post near the beginning that frankly deserved an entire chapter dedicated to it and a Hell of a lot more than a simple timeline post, but this is where the live and learn comes into the equation Overall though, apart from that I think my timeline served its purpose bridging Mass Effect and Fallout together, something that would’ve been tricky to pull off otherwise. I will try to move away from that in future stories though, definitely. Thank you very much Taco, this has been quite an educational experience for me.

        • TacoMagic says:

          Just think, in 9 hours you’ll have the opportunity to see a character list done in the absolute wrongest way possible. It’ll really make you feel good about… well… anything you’ve written. Ever.

  9. Herr Wozzeck says:

    then escaped before Artorias could corrupt her.

    And why the fuck would the Abyss corrupt Seiko, anyway? She’s had it at her beck and call for the whole story up to this point! She’s shown us that she can’t even be touched by it!

    • erttheking says:

      It’s hard to tell with how vague it’s been, but I think the story is trying to say that whatever the hell was in Atorias’ ring that BRSue crushed way back when allowed her to control the Abyss and now that Atorias pulled it out she’s vulnerable…I think. I’m guessing here because the story is shit at explaining.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        So wait, shouldn’t Artorias have that ring now since he’s still alive and shit? And if he did have that ring, why didn’t Artorias have better control the Abyss? And hold on, if destroying the ring was the only way to control the abyss, why didn’t Artorias do that before BRSue ever got her mittens on it? He could’ve avoided this whole involved rigmarole from happening in the first place!

        *headdesk*

        Jesus Christ, the more we look at this piece of shit, the more plot holes we find…

      • erttheking says:

        I gave up on trying to insert logic into this thing long ago.

  10. Herr Wozzeck says:

    First of all, how about you follow the ancient rule, don’t TELL us how is presence is causing her to not give up, SHOW us, and while you’re at it EXPLAIN it in a more detailed way than “it just is.”

    Again, ladies and gentlemen: I would like to remind all of you that, when I tried to leave a review for this fic, this author had the nerve to lecture me on what “character development” is. He tried to lecture me on what character development is and he can’t even do it right!

    *headdesk*

    This fucking author, man. I never though I’d bump into a more pretentious shithead than Octavarius Kaiser Scott, but here we are…

  11. Herr Wozzeck says:

    There was music in this fight.

    And immediately I thought of this:

    Coincidentally, I would much rather hear Whitney Houston butcher Rodgers and Hammerstein with all those fucking pop melismas she uses than have to read this pretentious shitfest any further…

  12. Herr Wozzeck says:

    Even as Seiko realized this, the record scratched in its player.

    Oh hey, we’re talking about record scratches in an era where such a metaphor makes no flipping sense!

    *headdesk*

    You know what? Fuck it. I’ll just come out and say it:

    At this present moment, max here is like fucking Edward Bulwer-Lytton.

    • erttheking says:

      …How the fuck did I miss that one?

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        ‘Cause it was buried in one of the walls of text again. That tends to happen a lot…

        • erttheking says:

          Good point. I hope you forgive me that when I have read through all of those my eyes glaze over a little bit. I don’t think you really mind though.

        • Herr Wozzeck says:

          Oh, I don’t blame you at all. Reading half the chapter, I found myself tempted to use that particular clip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It’s just like half the time, you miss the crazier wordings ’cause you want it to get to the fucking point already.

  13. Herr Wozzeck says:

    Seiko had always wondered what would happen if Jinta had to fight someone without using a shield.

    without using a shield

    *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*

    Goddammit…

    • erttheking says:

      Ok I’ll give the guy a little credit, he is using a pair of swords which as of Dark Souls II is a legitimately recognized form of combat. It’s the kind where you sacrifice defense to double your offense. Still, as of Dark Souls I, it was a stupid and impractical way to fight and it makes BRSue a hypocrite. Not to mention there’s the fact that she waited until AFTER the final climatic battle to think maybe Jinta should sacrifice one of his swords for a shield.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        Yeah, but considering that this was finished before the release of Dark Souls II, that doesn’t tend to hold as much water, you know what I’m saying?

  14. Herr Wozzeck says:

    “Solaire…? I know you can hear me… You’ve taken Gwyn’s place. You were his son. I’m sure you’re the Lord of Sunlight now. You found the sun you always searched for… Well, you asked me to end the cycle of death, and here I am, hunting down a way. Time is convoluted. If it’s in your power… Lend me your strength! We can’t win without it!”

    Wait, so the little narrative aside said that Seiko knew Jinta was a good planner. We then cut to Jinta, and apparently his plan involved praying to Solaire, something that he probably didn’t think would work.

    *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*

    You know, if I’m being perfectly honest, I’m not the least bit surprised…

  15. Herr Wozzeck says:

    When Artorias finally managed to struggle out a flailing attack, Jinta was too fast to catch, jumping back and running around Artorias’ left side, slashing all the way. Now behind Artorias, close to the coliseum wall, Jinta jumped toward the wall. Pushing off deftly, Jinta flipped back toward Artorias, slashing left to right at Artorias’ neck. His lightning-filled blade passed right through Artorias’ weakened armor and he landed on a knee in front of Artorias.

    You know, I can’t even be glad that BRSue isn’t being as over the top as she is anymore, ’cause it’s just been transferred over to Jinta.

    *headdesk*

    Good Christ, if I wanted over the top battles against evil, I’d just watch an episode of the DC Animated Universe…

    • The Crowbar says:

      Oh hi Herr.

      This is extremely off-topic, but I have noticed a recurring theme in Mass Effect SI stories.

      Entire shitloads of SI writers are giving you credit for inspiring them to write their own SI stories.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        Yeah, I did sort of kick off the SI flood there. I actually know one guy who’s publicly stated that he hates me because of it, and I’m pretty sure his is a case of sight unseen…

      • The Crowbar says:

        Well, if it makes you feel any better, I’ve recently noticed quite a few rather original ideas.

        Most of them are decently written too…

    • Hey! Don’t compare the DCAU to this mess.

      • Herr Wozzeck says:

        Why not? Any comparison between these two just makes the DCAU better than it already is!

      • Hmmm… True. And the DCAU was pretty awesome to begin with. They even managed to turn Aquaman into something of a badass.

      • The Crowbar says:

        I find no respect for the DC… The amount if their continuity errors is staggering.

      • In the comics – yes. Total clusterfuck even with the numerous reboots they’ve tried over the years. The DCAU is pretty cohesive, though, as long as you don’t try to incorporate the newer series.

  16. TacoMagic says:

    It was now or never, with one Humanity between them…

    Pfft, one humanity. Boo hoo.

    Just die as many times as you need and farm some skeleton babies when you get back to dodge. Jeez, what drama queens.

  17. TacoMagic says:

    Jinta could move, but he had to focus on speaking, and was supposed to think of nothing else but his prayer for the best effect.

    Which would make using them quickly in combat pretty much impossible. Good thing that’s never happened in this fic, right?

    • erttheking says:

      Miracles can be tricky in that you have to position yourself so that you can take a few seconds to perform them without a skeleton redecorating your skull with an ornate axe, so I can understand the dilemma of having to drop your guard for a few seconds. It’s a pity nothing actually COMES of it though, it’s just like Power Within in that “You need to be careful of this negative side effect that will never actually happen.”

      • TacoMagic says:

        Right, but my point is that battle is pretty damn distracting. Even if you have to step back and find some breathing room to cast the miracle, the fact that you’re still in combat is going to keep you from maintaining the level of concentration the fic says you need. That doesn’t make sense from a standpoint of using them in combat at all.

        Now, needing to not be interrupted in what you’re doing, fair enough. But, at least some part of you is going to need to be aware of what’s going on around you.

  18. Colonel deFraug says:

    So BRSue can’t match Artorias power for power, huh?

    So why the ever-loving FUCK is she continually going strong at the bind with him?

    Also the concept of her throwing a fireball like a MLB pitcher, with leg movement, is just too funny for words.

    • erttheking says:

      I guess keeping continuity within chapters is just too hard.

      And yeah, seriously, where did those come from?

      • Colonel deFraug says:

        Dear God. If she can’t match him strength for strength, he would just power through the block and cut into her with reduced force. Which would still be more than enough to kill someone.

        Also, the fuck is this ‘back-hand’ swing shit? If they mean reverse-grip, I’ve got a whole skeleton worth of bones to pick with them.

        Oh, and swords don’t spark. Doubly so if they’re indestructible. Sparks don’t come from nowhere. You have to damage something, at least minutely, to get sparks. (Or hook the swords up to live cables like Highlander did, but that’s hardly good for the blades either.)

      • TacoMagic says:

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that indestructible swords wouldn’t spark.

  19. TacoMagic says:

    *Squints*

    I think the author just character assasinated Jinta. He went straight from lawful stupid to lawful pathetic. It’s a pretty big accomplishment that the author was able to find something WORSE than lawful stupid.

  20. TacoMagic says:

    *Later at the post-fight press-conference*

    Artorias: It was a good fight, but sadly we weren’t able to capitalize on any of the openings in our opponents’ defenses in the second half. I’ll now open the floor to questions.

    *Taco raises his hand*

    Artorias: Yes, you in the kitty hat.

    If your arm was so completely disabled that you needed to use body contortions to use it, how were you able to hold on to the sword?

    Artorias: Uh. I duct-taped it to my hand before the fight. Just in case. Any other questions?

    If you knew everything the BRSue knew, why didn’t you try to kill them with a swarm of abyss chains?

    Artorias: Um… it’s not in line with my fighting style. Anything else?

    Neither of them were using a shield, so that means your ranged attacks would have been extremely useful. Why didn’t you throw your sludge or do the aura blast at them?

    Artorias: Look, I haven’t been feeling all that well recently, so I wasn’t on top of my game! It’s not my fault! I wasn’t expecting a raging Sue/Stu tag-team!

  21. max7238 says:

    Ready to laugh at me?
    If not, prepare.

    I agree with just about every single point you’ve made. The content of the story is completely out of whack with what Dark Souls is. The characters are probably the most flat I’ve ever written (not that any of you have seen my other work). So on, and so on.

    Well, and here’s the fun part, I know WHY. Not that I’ve said this in an A/N on FFN or anything, but you guys will probably get a kick out of it. The purpose of Twin Humanities was, as I’m SURE you noticed, not to tell some complex story. The purpose, for me, wasn’t romance either. It was a stage. That’s it. “I should probably practice (insert specific, singular writing aspect). How can I work that into a chapter somewhere?” I want to practice describing armor, throw it in there. Want to describe an area, throw it in there. You get the picture.

    But! But.
    Get this.
    It’s fanFICTION. Ya know, that thing people in middle school write about Naruto or something where their OC has a shagfest with a canon character because reasons? I find it funny that you’ve chosen TH to pick apart and not, say, everything Rising Lorn has ever written. To name one author.
    Not everything in a fanfic is going to mesh with the original canon. In fact, a noticeable percentage barely uses the canon besides as an excuse to write exactly what they want. I did that with TH, and people enjoyed it anyway (surprised me too). I did that with an SAO fic I wrote and enough people wanted me to continue after dropping it (because it was uninspired and boring to write for) that I did it just to give them a proper conclusion.
    Did I do that with my Reach fic, or Rengoku, or Pokemon?
    Well, let’s see. In Reach I’m mimicking, poorly imo, the style of the Halo fiction books. I don’t think I’ve ever shoved a character trait down anyone’s throat, and things are formatted much better than TH.
    In Rengoku… Ahh, screw it, you all don’t know Rengoku… Yeah. With Rengoku I kinda did what I did with TH so I could write specific scenes with the A.D.A.M.s I always wanted to see.
    Pokemon… That’s a tough one. I’m probably going to rewrite it because I hate how I’ve just shoved everything along to get to where the story happens… But I don’t think I’ve done with that what I did here. There’s a lot of media for Pokemon, and I’ve kinda taken a bit of all of it, found a middle ground, and ran with it… It’ll take a while before I decide if even I like it or not…

    So… In short, you all’re right. Presented in the most e-peen stroking way possible, but right. Can’t wait to read the rest, in fact…

    • Herr Wozzeck says:

      Ready to laugh at me?
      If not, prepare.

      You say that as if we weren’t already laughing at the pretentious, lifeless pile of shit you call your fanfic, but whatever, what is it?

      The purpose of Twin Humanities was, as I’m SURE you noticed, not to tell some complex story. The purpose, for me, wasn’t romance either. It was a stage. That’s it. “I should probably practice (insert specific, singular writing aspect). How can I work that into a chapter somewhere?” I want to practice describing armor, throw it in there. Want to describe an area, throw it in there. You get the picture.

      *headdesk*

      So after all this time of defending the collections of words that can only be charitably described as a writing “style”, you say “well, this whole involved rigmarole was a writing exercise. You wants us to believe that, after you bitch at me about “oh, you didn’t make any attempt to understand my intent” and all that stuff (which you have just now confirmed is a totally bullshit argument coming from you, even more than it already was to begin with), this was all some massive writing exercise for you. You actually expect us to believe that you treated this terribly-written fic with all sorts of problems as a fucking “writing exercise” after you accused me of spreading “meaningless hate” in the review comments.

      Yeah, honey, I don’t know if you’ve noticed this yet, but we’re not as stupid as you seem to think we are. If you think we can’t see through this excuse, either you’re in complete denial about exactly why this fic is being snarked, or you’re a complete idiot. Personally, I’m leaning towards the latter, as not even the likes of Tara Gillesby herself would think that the excuses you’ve produced are good excuses.

      But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt for a second and suppose you’re not trying to cover your ass (and that’s a huge stretch, but whatever). Well, that explains a lot, but it does not excuse the shittiness of your writing, especially not when you post your “exercises” on a public forum. If you want to write a writing exercise; fine, write a writing exercise. But at least have the fucking dignity to admit that when people start calling your writing out for being shit, and don’t fucking defend your writing if the whole point of it was to help you improve the way you write. If it’s a writing exercise, then you’d think that you wouldn’t be so ready to brush criticisms off when people try to bring them to your attention.

      And in before you say this: yes, I know you’ve acknowledged some of my points. But there are two things that you seem content to ignore when I press you on the points you don’t acknowledge your faults on. One: you still came up with bullshit excuses to cover your ass for other points that I brought up. Two: as of what you have written so far, you have made no attempt to fix even the problems that have you have acknowledged. And I’m not just talking in rewrites here: you still exhibit those problems even in the sequel to this fic. You still go on rambling narrative asides, you still have boring characters with no personality whatsoever, and now you’re even starting to get into tone clashes with yourself. (And on that note: what the fuck were you thinking with the gender-bending coffin in the side chapter? That may well be the stupidest Big Lipped Alligator Moment I’ve ever seen in a fanfic, and that’s saying something considering the stupidity I’ve had to put up with from the fics that are much worse than this.)

      It’s fanFICTION. Ya know, that thing people in middle school write about Naruto or something where their OC has a shagfest with a canon character because reasons? I find it funny that you’ve chosen TH to pick apart and not, say, everything Rising Lorn has ever written. To name one author.

      Well, honey, here’s a newsflash: bad fanfiction comes in more flavors than “Naruto shagfest”. Just look at our current selection of stuff: I’m riffing my own old shame that was essentially a mega-crossover with purple prose that makes no goddamn sense whatsoever, Taco is busy snarking at a Jurassic Park shagfest between a human and a raptor with a relationship that is painted as positive but is really an unhealthy relationship when you look beyond the prose, Ghostie is snarking a Titanic/Twilight crossover that makes no sense and has plot regurgitation of Twilight, SC is alternating between a bad remake of Devil May Cry 4 and a bad, lore-breaking sequel of Tales of Vesperia, and Lyle is snarking friggin’ My Immortal. And before that, we’ve snarked everything from a grammatically bad nonsensical series of crossovers that all started with a Call of Duty/Land Before Time crossover, a Camp Lazlo fanfic with the most purple prose you’ve ever seen in your life that was written by a pretentious dickhead who resorted to flame wars to get views for his stories, a completely shameless plagiarization of another fic, a Percy Jackson fic that was thinly-veiled (and extremely hateful) Christian “fundamentalist” author tract, a Samurai Jack fic with an overblown Mary Sue, a Twilight AU that cast Bella as a thief and made her the worst thief ever, a Dragon Age fanfic with a complete psychopath of a main character that glorified rape and murder in just the first chapter, and a Dragon Ball Z fic that had rampant pedophilia everywhere. So you see, it’s not just an “OC shagfest” that is prone to being ripped apart.

      There are more flavors of bad fanfiction than the one you described, and TH fits into the flavor of “a poorly written mess with an OP Mary Sue and a Gary Stu with long narrative asides that don’t let the characters and/or plot just play themselves out and sometimes don’t have anything to do with the fic in question, and it behaves in a way that clashes with the tone and themes of the canon”. And that’s a flavor of bad fanfic whether you want to acknowledge it exists or not.

      Also, if it’s here, it’s because it’s generally really, really bad. We also don’t know everything that is happening in bad fanfiction (hell, I’ve come across nearly half of the fics I’ve snarked here completely by accident), so we may not have heard of certain authors you think would be prime for MSTing.

      Thank you for mentioning Rising Lorn, though: I’ll be sure to get someone on looking at that.

      Not everything in a fanfic is going to mesh with the original canon. In fact, a noticeable percentage barely uses the canon besides as an excuse to write exactly what they want. I did that with TH, and people enjoyed it anyway (surprised me too).

      Here’s the problem with this statement: while it is true that not everything in a fanfic is going to mesh with the original canon, there’s a certain expectation that you’ll at least be following the original themes (and, barring that, the tone) of the canon you’re writing in. The only time where that doesn’t apply is when the author makes an AU out of it, but even then most will try to stick to the spirit of the canon they’re writing with. It’s all about the feel of it. Twin Humanities goes way too far in that direction, and it’s in a case like that when it starts encroaching on bad fanfiction.

      (And by the way, we have snarked some fanfics here where their main problem is that they don’t diverge from the canon enough, but that is another conversation entirely, and one that doesn’t apply to TH.)

      So… In short, you all’re right. Presented in the most e-peen stroking way possible, but right.

      What you think you just said: “I’m liking the presentation of this.”

      What you’re actually saying: “Oh, you’re right, but you’re still whiny, bitchy little cuntfaces for pointing it out and my cock is still bigger than yours.”

      Well, I wouldn’t expect anything else from any author with your level of blind pomposity, so allow me to completely drop any pretense of civil discourse so I can respond in kind:

      • max7238 says:

        Hey, don’t like it, don’t read it.
        I already know I’d hate most fanfics I read, so I just use the site to write and practice. I don’t walk around waving my opinion and ego around like it gives me power. So you hate my style, you hate my stories… Then do better and shut your face. As a friend of mine put it:

        “I don’t like this. I can’t do better, but the author should know how!”
        -Every Critic Ever

        • erttheking says:

          You know, not to toot my own horn, I HAVE done better than you. Check my ff.net profile and my Mass Effect/Fallout crossover. Not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than Twin Humanities! And Herr is the author of Mass Vexations! The most iconic Mass Effect Self Insert on ff.net!

          And even if we hadn’t written those stories, you’re reaching down for the lowest common denominator in forms of counter-arguments against us now. “Don’t like it don’t read it?” “I don’t like this. I can’t do better, but the author should know how?” It seems like you’re going out of your way in order to dodge our criticisms, acting like if you just throw out a clever comment or two to make us all look like jerks, you can ignore the piles upon piles of complaints that we have criticizing your story structure, characterization, and writing style.

          First you pull the “It’s fanfiction, who cares?” card, something that is bullshit because when you ask someone to take a story seriously, you better damn deliver on it otherwise why did you even bother? Now you’re moving onto the “Don’t like don’t read”? It seems like you’re trying to go to insane lengths to not have to acknowledge any flaws about your writing, and if you do that you’ll never grow as an author.

          If you want to say “This is my first story, I’m still learning the ropes” then that’s fine, but only if when people come to you with criticism, you LISTEN! If you refuse to take criticism, constantly hurling out excuse after excuse as for why you don’t need to take what we say seriously, then I don’t feel very much sympathy for you. If you constantly deflect criticism like this, you’ll only be hurting yourself in the long run. Keep that in mind.

        • Herr Wozzeck says:

          Hey, don’t like it, don’t read it.

          Ah, right. This stupid excuse. Obviously, Max, you have never heard of the term “bile fascination”. Most of us at the Library happen to have it, and your “don’t like don’t read” argument falls flat on its face in the face of someone who is actually masochistic enough to subject themselves to your story.

          I don’t walk around waving my opinion and ego around like it gives me power.

          Yes you do, Max. Yes, you fucking do! You wave your ego around every time you write up one of your stupid justifications for your writing “style” that shows that you have no understanding of creative writing technique, and then you go around and bitch about how “you don’t get my intent” and “you’re just an egotistical loser with no dick” and “you’re spreading meaningless hate” or some other whiny comment along those lines any time someone dares hurt your pwecious wittle fanfic. Hell, all you’ve done over here is wave your ego in a way that just shows us that it’s larger than fucking Soviet Russia.

          Let’s put it this way: if you weren’t acting like an unfunny version of Eric Cartman all the time, you wouldn’t have found out this snarking exists in the first place.

          So you hate my style, you hate my stories… Then do better and shut your face. As a friend of mine put it:

          “I don’t like this. I can’t do better, but the author should know how!”
          -Every Critic Ever

          *headdesk*

          Holy shit. You, sir, are a fucking miracle. Even when I show you a snarking of your fanfiction, you refuse to see why your problems are problems, nor do you even say “thank you, I’ll work to improve on those facets”. No. It’s “critics are all fucking losers” or “you’re just stroking your tiny internet penis” or “stop spreading meaningless hate” or some other stupid bullshit excuse like that. It’s a fucking miracle that you’re this obtuse and unwilling to listen to criticism!

          I just… seriously? You’re using that stupid excuse here?

          Okay, first off, if that was the case, then why did you really say you welcomed negative criticism? If you’re subscribing to the belief that all critics are inherently inferior to you, doesn’t that negate anything a negative review might say? Or do you want negative reviews so you can make all these grand statements to boost your own fragile sense of self-worth? ‘Cause from where I stand right now, this is a strong case of the latter.

          Second of all: I don’t like to brag, but yes, I have done better than you. Ert has done better than you. But you know what? That doesn’t actually matter in the slightest. See, I did use to be a shitty fanfiction author once: hell, if you tune in on Thursday, you can see me snark my own old shame right now. It’s not about “my fic is better than yours”, Max. And you want to know why that is?

          ‘Cause at the end of the day, criticism is not the case of “Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better” that your friend’s argument implies it is. You know what it is about? It’s about being able to talk about a story and why it does and doesn’t work.

          Most critics may not be the best storytellers,but they criticize based on their knowledge of the basics. They have at least an understanding of what makes a story work/not work, and they judge based on that. Even if they’re bad at doing the thing they’re criticizing, they’ve usually got enough hindsight that they make no illusions that they used to be bad at it themselves. They then take it and use their own mistakes to try to inform their criticisms of other things, because they know better than anyone why common storytelling problems are an issue. I used to have the rambly narrative aside problem too. I used to have flat characters who you wouldn’t give a shit about too. I used to have nonsensical plots that would make most logical people pull their hair out too. I was that guy once in my life.

          But you know what I did that you continually refuse to do? I looked at my fic with hindsight goggles applied, I acknowledged my mistakes, I listened to my critics, and I did my best to fucking improve my fanfiction afterwards. I listened to criticism. I listened to myself when I applied it harshly to myself.

          All of that is something that you will never, ever do if you insist on calling your critics morons who can’t do it better themselves because “fuck you, I’m the best fucking author in the fucking world and you can give a rimjob to Bill O’Reilly if you don’t agree with me”.

          Criticism is not a dick measuring contest, Max: it’s about pinpointing why a story does or does not work, and then putting it in the best terms possible. And if you hold your present attitude towards criticism for a while yet, then you, my good sir, will forever be unable to take criticism, and your fanfiction will forever be a snark target because of it.

          I just… you, Max, are a fucking miracle. It’s almost miraculous just how much of a bull-headed comemierda you are.

          I just… you know what? I was wrong about my assertion of your chapter-length author’s note making you look pretentious. You didn’t need that to sound pretentious: you sound pretentious every time you type!

          *headdesk*

      • The Crowbar says:

        *ahem*

        For your information, Mr.Wozzeck already HAS written better stories.

      • SuperFeatherYoshi says:

        Wait for it… Wait for it…
        “Hey, don’t like it, don’t read it.”
        Yes! YES! Congratulations, Max! You did not disappoint me.
        *Sheds a single tear*

      • The Crowbar says:

        Yeah, that was mostly the reason for my *ahem*

        *ahem*

      • SuperFeatherYoshi says:

        Also, if this whole thing really is just a writing exercise, why the fuck are you rejecting criticism? I’m no writer, but even I know that you’ll supposed to improve by listening to feedbacks.
        Plus, by posting your work on the Internet, you have automatically agreed to have your work criticized by anyone and everyone. Hey, don’t want criticism? Don’t post your shit on the webs.
        See what I did there?